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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? You don't see (even a smidgeon of) irrationality or willingness to become martyrs among "religious ideologues" aka "extreme Islamic terrorists"?
    I thought we were talking Iran's government and as far as I know, they've never used "suicide bombers".

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
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    ad·mit confess to be true or to be the case, typically with reluctance.

    Kerry's not confessing or admitting anything. The deal doesn't and shouldn't be "legally binding. " It's an executive agreement.
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I thought we were talking Iran's government and as far as I know, they've never used "suicide bombers".
    Using your government no longer means squat if the acts can be made to look like "terrorism". Indeed, it would be foolish to use a missile fried from within your borders when alternate delivery means are possible. The 9/11/2001 actors (agents?) were from Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yemen yet the US military chose to invade Afghanistan and is still there, having wasted many billions, to this day. The "war on terror" works in mysterious ways.
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Iran might be religious ideologues but I don't think they're irrational or suicidal.
    the $1 million question.
    as a nation state one would hope so -but as a Shia fundamentalist regime one has to be concerned they aren't rational.

    My personal opinion is Iran is doing so well (Hizbollah / Assad /Tikrit offensive) getting nukes would just be a cause for war against them.
    While the Sunnis are stuck with internecine war, and Iranian hegemony is expansive

    In other words they can prolly be forced to comply with the framework of the P5+1 , and Obama has the power to waive Congressional sanctions.
    Past that who knows...we can only hope they are rational

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Was it a declared war by congress or just wishful thinking by neocons?
    War as perceived by the Iranians. More Americans were killed by the militia's they trained, armed, trained, and supported in Iraq than in the oh-so-infamous Sunni Triangle. Unfortunately, it only takes one to start a war, but two to finish.

    From what I understand, the sanctions are still in place and they didn't prevent Iran from building/expanding it's nuclear energy program.
    They helped crush their economy, and put severe pressure on the regime. There were a number of actions taken (from - probably - Israeli assassinations of nuclear scientists to the development of the Stuxnet virus to the bombing of the secret nuclear weapons facility in Syria) during that time as well that helped delay the Iranian nuclear program.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I thought we were talking Iran's government and as far as I know, they've never used "suicide bombers".
    The Iranian regime has used more suicide bombers than any other entity on earth. They developed the modern VBIED, the suicide vest, all the little delights that we've come to know so painfully well.
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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Why give up the inspections for 10 years? So they can continue their progress towards the bomb?
    That is what many of us are wondering when we note that the Obama administration basically gives them that time span as long as they wink and pretty-pinky-promise that even though we've caught them lying about their nuclear development multiple times, this time they super-duper mean it when they agree not to.

    Re-instating the sanctions won't prevent them from making a bomb,
    Agreed, which is why it should not be the extent of American actions. However, Moot seemed under the impression that the question as binary: either A) a deal or B) war.

    in fact it may very well give them a reason to hurry it along. Your mistrust of Iran no matter how justified does not mean that we should just sit by and let them build a bomb when there are alternatives that will strengthen the case of the moderates in Iran and at least delay their progress towards a bomb temporarily.
    There are no moderates in Iran that do not want a nuclear bomb. Even the Green Movement in Iran is in favor of developing nuclear weaponry. There are certainly no moderates in the Iranian leadership who will be able to seize power from the current regime. Again, this is like enabling Putin with homes that you will help Russian Homosexuals - nuclear power will strengthen the hardline regime currently in power because it will have achieved a major national goal and helped to reinstate historical Persian regional hegemony. If your goal is "moderates take over", then letting the current regime develop nuclear capability is probably the dumbest thing you can do next to hunting down and killing those moderates yourself.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by annata View Post
    the $1 million question.
    as a nation state one would hope so -but as a Shia fundamentalist regime one has to be concerned they aren't rational.
    My personal opinion is Iran is doing so well (Hizbollah / Assad /Tikrit offensive) getting nukes would just be a cause for war against them.
    While the Sunnis are stuck with internecine war, and Iranian hegemony is expansive

    In other words they can prolly be forced to comply with the framework of the P5+1 , and Obama has the power to waive Congressional sanctions.
    Past that who knows...we can only hope they are rational
    That's a good analysis.

    But after the US senators sent letter to Iran warning them not to trust their own president and how the Iran minister responded....one has to wonder who the real irrational extremists are.

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    Re: Kerry admits deal with Iran would not be 'legally binding'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Iranian regime has used more suicide bombers than any other entity on earth. They developed the modern VBIED, the suicide vest, all the little delights that we've come to know so painfully well.
    I looked but I couldn't find any proof of that. Maybe you have better luck and can provide credible evidence that Iran regime has used suicide bombers....ever.

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