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My bad
I thought you might want to know the law that applies.
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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush owns the server that runs jeb@jeb.org, the personal email account he used as governor to conduct official, political and personal business.
Asked who controls the server that operates that email address, Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campbell responded: “He owns it.”
Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush used his personal e-mail account for all eight years that he served as governor. Bush recently released roughly 250,000 of those e-mails, waiting until last year to fully comply with state law that requires governors to turn over their records upon leaving office, but he released only those he deemed public. That fact went largely unmentioned by the media earlier this year, when Bush framed his presidential run in the rhetoric of transparency.
My bad
I thought you might want to know the law that applies.
Yup, that is a significant issue, and one of many reasons why Jeb is not the best candidate for Republicans this go-round. He's the candidate most likely to turn the Clinton name from a liability into an asset.
JEB BUSH, NEOCONSERVATIVE
In a speech today outlining his foreign policy, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush offers a familiar refrain: “I love my father and my brother… But I am my own man – and my views are shaped by my own thinking and own experiences.” At a reporter scrum after speech in Florida last week, Jeb was adamant: “I won’t talk about the past. I’ll talk about the future,” adding that “it’s not about re-litigating anything.” Curious then that the foreign policy team that Jeb announced today is not just very much George W. Bush’s, but includes two of the most controversial figures from invasion of Iraq, former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and former National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley. Short of including Dick Cheney, this is the strongest possible indication that Bush is embracing his brother’s foreign policy. What’s up with that?
Good luck convincing the party leaders about Jeb. They have already annointed him as their best chance and Jeb is warming up his neocon foreign policy team already.
Good luck convincing the party leaders about Jeb. They have already annointed him as their best chance and Jeb is warming up his neocon foreign policy team already.
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Jeb Bush, neoconservative | Fox News
The Candidate From Goldman Sachs is going to have to make her case against a fresher face.
This is just another example of the Bush's penchant for secrecy and belief that the law doesn't apply to them. It proves that his talk about transparency is just a lie.
This will obviously torpedo his run for President
/sarcasm
One hopes you mean an older, but less expected face. I can't stand this crap about a younger face. I thought Republicans could get away from being Democrats in this regard
:shrug: Elect-ability is a pretty important trait in a Presidential candidate. Walker and Rubio both bring more experience to the table at actually governing than Hillary, and don't have a baggage trail of public scandals stretching back to the 90s besides.
If Hillary and Jeb have private email accounts then it's likely that a lot of other elected officials do too. So perhaps there should be an investigation in congress to see how many members have private accounts and if they're complying with the law, too. It would be interesting to know what goes on behind some of those congressional committees...especially the ones that use their investigative powers for political revenge rather than truth seeking.
That is a red herring. Of course politicians and staffers have private email accounts, as well as just about every white collar employee in America. And yes, I am sure the majority of those people on occasion, or sometimes, use their private email account to discuss business matters. What they don't do is set up a server at home to exclusively route ALL their business emails to their server so as to hide all official business from their employer, and intentionally ignore their jobs federal security and contemporaneous archival requirements.
Jeb Bush was not in the business of planning and discussing national security, intelligence, secret and/or confidential matters. He was not the nation's top diplomat. And his work in Florida on highway speed limits or grants for play ground equipment was not the target of high stakes secret information.
Finally, Jeb Bush (like everyone else but Hillary) did conduct much of his business over his State email.
It takes a degree of hutzpuh (or lunacy) to compare Hillary's acts with Jeb's...rather like someone telling us Hillary may have robbed a bank but they located Jeb, a Republican pick-pocket.
Yes, it's perfectly OK for a Bush to ignore the law.
It's only wrong when a Clinton or an Obama does it
"It takes a degree of hutzpuh (or lunacy) to compare Hillary's acts with Jeb's...rather like someone telling us Hillary may have robbed a bank but they located Jeb, a Republican pick-pocket."
That is a red herring. Of course politicians and staffers have private email accounts, as well as just about every white collar employee in America. And yes, I am sure the majority of those people on occasion, or sometimes, use their private email account to discuss business matters. What they don't do is set up a server at home to exclusively route ALL their business emails to their server so as to hide all official business from their employer, and intentionally ignore their jobs federal security and contemporaneous archival requirements.
Jeb Bush was not in the business of planning and discussing national security, intelligence, secret and/or confidential matters. He was not the nation's top diplomat. And his work in Florida on highway speed limits or grants for play ground equipment was not the target of high stakes secret information.
Finally, Jeb Bush (like everyone else but Hillary) did conduct much of his business over his State email.
It takes a degree of hutzpuh (or lunacy) to compare Hillary's acts with Jeb's...rather like someone telling us Hillary may have robbed a bank but they located Jeb, a Republican pick-pocket.
Well, maybe it's not so much about the job in as much as it is how they followed the law. It's a law in Florida for all officials to turn over all their government related emails and that includes the governor. Apparently there were over 250K emails in Jeb's private email account...but he only turned in 55K as government related. Like Hillary, he was also allowed to decide which emails to save and which to delete...so if Jeb does grab the GOP nomination then it's only fair that he should have to face the same scrutiny as Hillary regarding what emails he deleted and why.
Agreed. But even better would be that neither of these two grab anything but a chair. And who thought it was ok for that level of government business to be conducted on personal e-mail. That **** needs to stop.
They can still have a personal email address, IMO, but they need to make it accessible to some kind of outside auditor.
Yes, when a Bush breaks the law, it's no big deal.
PS- the word is "chutzpah"
Variants of CHUTZPAH
chutz·pah also chutz·pa or hutz·pah or hutz·pa \ˈhu̇t-spə, ˈḵu̇t-, -(ˌ)spä\
I see you are mirroring Nixon's excuse that he was not doing anything that Democrats had not done. Didn't work then, won't work now.
Apparently your inability to see the obvious false equivalency of the two email situations is equally matched by your inability to understand a well-known dictionary equivalency.
So you think Hillary should turn over her server for examination, to an outside auditor?
Well, maybe it's not so much about the job in as much as it is how they followed the law. It's a law in Florida for all officials to turn over all their government related emails and that includes the governor. Apparently there were over 250K emails in Jeb's private email account...but he only turned in 55K as government related. Like Hillary, he was also allowed to decide which emails to save and which to delete...so if Jeb does grab the GOP nomination then it's only fair that he should have to face the same scrutiny as Hillary regarding what emails he deleted and why.
The existence of Bush’s private email address was widely known to the public and to the press when he served as governor, and he routinely fielded public and press inquiries himself using the address.
Another big difference is that while Clinton was not open about her private email use, Bush was transparent about the fact that he was using a private account, according to First Amendment Foundation president Barbara Petersen.
"There’s nothing in the public records law about personal accounts," Petersen said about rules in Florida. "Some agencies have policies discouraging the use of personal accounts, but that was after Bush left office."
If there is any question that emails had been left out of Bush’s disclosure, a person or group could make a public records request and file a civil suit if they think something’s missing, she said. State law does allow private inspections of electronic devices if warranted to find missing texts and emails. But no one has made that challenge of Bush, Petersen said.
So let's look at Florida:
1) If these "progressives" had bothered to read the statutes in question they would have looked at the Florida statutes of 2007. The would find that the Chapter on Public Records has NO REFERENCE to email, nor does it include email among its list of examples of specific records. In short, emails as public records were not defined or addressed in Florida law.
(11) "Public records" means all documents, papers, letters, maps, books, tapes, photographs, films, sound recordings, data processing software, or other material, regardless of the physical form, characteristics, or means of transmission, made or received pursuant to law or ordinance or in connection with the transaction of official business by any agency.
2) Bush was the first Governor to substantively to introduce and use email. When he left employment any "records" were to be returned, it was up to him to decide if thought of his unofficial emails (his private ones) should be archived. Although not requested to, on his own he has delivered several huge caches since leaving. And you can access 250,000 of them that he has put on-line.
(4)(a) Whoever has custody of any public records shall deliver, at the expiration of his or her term of office, to his or her successor or, if there be none, to the records and information management program of the Division of Library and Information Services of the Department of State, all public records kept or received by him or her in the transaction of official business.
3) Unlike Clinton, there was no concealment. The server was not in his house, his private one was also housed state offices. CBS reported that everyone knew about his 'tech savvy' system. Nor was there was a Florida legislative committee chasing down where he put his emails, or a State archivist 'negotiating' with him to provide emails. He just did it on his own, starting in 2007.
I think she should. I think she would be stupid not to. Heck, I think she will.
(as soon as her people are done removing everything that might cause her problems)