• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

Not to diminish the threat, but Alaska is a long way from where you are. Me, a few minutes by bomber. And nothing with which to shoot them down apparently.

But yeah...they're challenging the borders and have been since the tanks rolled into Crimea and Harper hit back.


You got that Right. They are indeed and we even had a Russian Sub in the Gulf trying to get next to out Sub-base. I think we escorted them out or forced them out.


GetFile.aspx


Russian nuclear bombers have flown into U.S. air space near Alaska multiple times in the last 10 days, several times causing the U.S. to deploy jet fighters. The strategic nuclear bombers have crossed into U.S. air defense zones 16 or more times, The Washington Free Beacon reported, which U.S. defense officials said is a significant increase over the usual number of times that occurs.

“Over the past week, NORAD has visually identified Russian aircraft operating in and around the U.S. air defense identification zones,” Maj. Beth Smith, spokeswoman for U.S. Northern Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command, told the Free Beacon. Smith downplayed the potential threat, and said the incursions into U.S. air space were determined to be training missions or exercises. USA Today said this is the second spike in such activity seen since June and said the recent activity is tied to war exercises along eastern Ukraine. Gordeyev said that, along with patrols and searches for “foreign submarines,” the increased activity worked to ensure "the security of sea navigation and carrying out search and rescue, and scientific missions."

In April, a U.S. spy plane was approached by a Russian fighter jet in international airspace. In June, four Russian strategic bombers flew within 50 miles of the California coast as they did practice bombing runs near Alaska.


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com Russian Bombers Fly Into US Airspace Several Times Over Last Week
 
China, for example, has asked that U.S. (as well as Japanese and South Korean) military aircraft respect Beijing’s air defense identification zone in the East China Sea and provide timely information about flights entering that area. Washington and its allies not only refuse to do so, they refuse even to recognize the legitimacy of that zone.[/url]

The situation is far more complex. For example, China is asserting that its air defense identification zone extends well beyond its territorial waters. Under existing international law conventions, such claims are not legitimate.
 
BTW, the report that no airspace has been compromised is wrong. Canada's defense minister last spring at the outset of Crimea announced to Parliament that Canada's air space had indeed been violated. I don't know about US-Russian relations, but Canada-US relations are as bad as the height of the cold war.

U.S.-Russia relations are quite bad right now. It should also be noted that some of Russia's activities in the Arctic region have to do with Russia's seeking to stake claims over the region for possible future natural resource mining rather than the strained relations over Ukraine. Canada has major interests there. The U.S. has some.
 
The situation is far more complex. For example, China is asserting that its air defense identification zone extends well beyond its territorial waters. Under existing international law conventions, such claims are not legitimate.

What's this don??

HOME»NEWS»WORLD NEWS»NORTH AMERICA»USA
US spy plane in ‘Top Gun’ game of chicken over Russian air space day after MH17 shot down

US spy plane in ‘Top Gun’ game of chicken over Russian air space day after MH17 shot down - Telegraph
 
U.S.-Russia relations are quite bad right now. It should also be noted that some of Russia's activities in the Arctic region have to do with Russia's seeking to stake claims over the region for possible future natural resource mining rather than the strained relations over Ukraine. Canada has major interests there. The U.S. has some.


Yeah DS. I picked up some of that too.



The New Wild West.....

Militaries_Know_The_Arctic_Is-0a18abb0994702ecc12dd6b838203457



The Arctic, long considered an almost worthless backwater, is primed to become one of the most important regions in the world as its ice melts over the next few decades. Unlike every other maritime area in the world, there is no overarching legal treaty governing the Arctic. Instead, the Arctic Council, made up of Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden, and the U.S., oversees and coordinates policy.

But the Arctic Council has no regulatory power. The countries only use the Council to communicate on policy and research and each member state is free to pursue its own policies within their declared Arctic boundaries.

According to a presentation by the Council of Foreign Relations, the Arctic is of primary strategic significance to the five bordering Arctic Ocean states — the U.S. (red), Canada (orange), Russia (grey), Norway (blue), and Denmark (green).....snip~

Militaries_Know_The_Arctic_Is-46531b81c239d9bc3486b2b7505ee5a1




http://finance.yahoo.com/news/militaries-know-arctic-melting-heres-130246417.html

According to this.....the US is lagging behind.
 
What's this don??

HOME»NEWS»WORLD NEWS»NORTH AMERICA»USA
US spy plane in ‘Top Gun’ game of chicken over Russian air space day after MH17 shot down

US spy plane in ‘Top Gun’ game of chicken over Russian air space day after MH17 shot down - Telegraph

I was discussing China's Air Defense Identification Zone. One can't assert automatically that China is legally correct in demanding compliance with its notification request. The zone lacks legitimacy, as it extends beyond China's territorial waters.
 
I was discussing China's Air Defense Identification Zone. One can't assert automatically that China is legally correct in demanding compliance with its notification request. The zone lacks legitimacy, as it extends beyond China's territorial waters.

And my post that you responded to first was to make the point that the US has often flown provocative missions both in and threateningly close to others airspace. It's the hypocrisy at work again.
 
Yeah DS. I picked up some of that too.



The New Wild West.....

Militaries_Know_The_Arctic_Is-0a18abb0994702ecc12dd6b838203457



The Arctic, long considered an almost worthless backwater, is primed to become one of the most important regions in the world as its ice melts over the next few decades. Unlike every other maritime area in the world, there is no overarching legal treaty governing the Arctic. Instead, the Arctic Council, made up of Canada, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Russia, Sweden, and the U.S., oversees and coordinates policy.

But the Arctic Council has no regulatory power. The countries only use the Council to communicate on policy and research and each member state is free to pursue its own policies within their declared Arctic boundaries.

According to a presentation by the Council of Foreign Relations, the Arctic is of primary strategic significance to the five bordering Arctic Ocean states — the U.S. (red), Canada (orange), Russia (grey), Norway (blue), and Denmark (green).....snip~

Militaries_Know_The_Arctic_Is-46531b81c239d9bc3486b2b7505ee5a1




http://finance.yahoo.com/news/militaries-know-arctic-melting-heres-130246417.html

According to this.....the US is lagging behind.

Why is the ice melting?
 
And my post that you responded to first was to make the point that the US has often flown provocative missions both in and threateningly close to others airspace. It's the hypocrisy at work again.

Yeah so what.....you haven't figured out the differences Monte? Note how when Russia, China and some others go about this. Ever notice how what they are flying over and into always becomes a part of them? Another piece of ground gained.

Now note how when we do it.....do you see any New States added to the US? Does that help yet Monte?
 
Why is the ice melting?


Well.....I think a Polar Shift has something to do with it. But I wouldn't put it past the Russians to throw some heaters under the Ice. Just sayin. :lol:




Russia, meanwhile, has reinvigorated its process of building its naval operations on its northern coast.

"Russia, the only non-NATO littoral Arctic state, has made a military buildup in the Arctic a strategic priority, restoring Soviet-era airfields and ports and marshaling naval assets," the CFR presentation explains. "In late 2013, President Vladimir Putin instructed his military leadership to pay particular attention to the Arctic, saying Russia needed 'every lever for the protection of its security and national interests there.' He also ordered the creation of a new strategic military command in the Russian Arctic by the end of 2014."

CFR notes that while most experts dismiss the prospects for armed aggression in the Arctic, "some defense analysts and academics assert that territorial disputes and a competition for resources have primed the Arctic for a new Cold War."....snip~
 
And my post that you responded to first was to make the point that the US has often flown provocative missions both in and threateningly close to others airspace. It's the hypocrisy at work again.

Why not just raise the Russia-U.S. issue where there have been some disputes? Under the Open Skies Treaty, a degree of surveillance by unarmed planes is permissible with appropriate notification (Open Skies Treaty).
 
According to the scientific consensus, climate change is playing the largest role with some contribution from natural variability.

Yeah, it was a rhetorical question. Most on the right don't buy it unless it advances some agenda.
 
Well.....I think a Polar Shift has something to do with it. But I wouldn't put it past the Russians to throw some heaters under the Ice. Just sayin. :lol:




Russia, meanwhile, has reinvigorated its process of building its naval operations on its northern coast.

"Russia, the only non-NATO littoral Arctic state, has made a military buildup in the Arctic a strategic priority, restoring Soviet-era airfields and ports and marshaling naval assets," the CFR presentation explains. "In late 2013, President Vladimir Putin instructed his military leadership to pay particular attention to the Arctic, saying Russia needed 'every lever for the protection of its security and national interests there.' He also ordered the creation of a new strategic military command in the Russian Arctic by the end of 2014."

CFR notes that while most experts dismiss the prospects for armed aggression in the Arctic, "some defense analysts and academics assert that territorial disputes and a competition for resources have primed the Arctic for a new Cold War."....snip~

Yes, I'm aware of Russia's military build up, China's too. It's no surprise either. Both have made themselves clear on their view of American hegemony. Better move over and make room.
 
Yeah, it was a rhetorical question. Most on the right don't buy it unless it advances some agenda.

Space.....The Final Frontier. To boldly go where no one has gone before.

Not the Russians, Chinese, Europeans, Pakistani, and especially not any in the ME. We have something in mind if they don't chill their asses out by the year 2500. Just sayin. :mrgreen:
 
Last edited:
Yeah so what.....you haven't figured out the differences Monte? Note how when Russia, China and some others go about this. Ever notice how what they are flying over and into always becomes a part of them? Another piece of ground gained.

Now note how when we do it.....do you see any New States added to the US? Does that help yet Monte?

The US started with one wooden ship and a few hundred interlopers that landed on North America and told the occupants to make room. We've grown a bit since then too.
 
The US started with one wooden ship and a few hundred interlopers that landed on North America and told the occupants to make room. We've grown a bit since then too.

Ah there it is......I knew you could do it Monte. Blame **** on the US for their beginnings. I knew it wouldn't be long. :lol:

Looks like Russia and China grew from what they started off as and last year too. What you got to say about that Monte? 22nd Century land grab. :lamo
 
Space.....The Final Frontier. To boldly go where no one has gone before.

Not the Russians, Chinese, Europeans, Pakistani, and especially not any in the ME. We have something in mind if they don't chill their asses out by the year 2500. Just sayin. :mrgreen:

Haha pretty funny dude!!
 
Ah there it is......I knew you could do it Monte. Blame **** on the US for their beginnings. I knew it wouldn't be long. :lol:

Looks like Russia and China grew from what they started off as and last year too. What you got to say about that Monte? 22nd Century land grab. :lamo

So you mean to say its ok grabbing all the land you want as long as at some point you stop grabbing land. Face it. The US has annexed its fair share of land, and Russia and China don't give a **** what you think about it, but they've voiced their opinion, and they'll be doing just like the US and going after their interests.
 
That's Right we are stretched thin.....we didn't become a Superpower just to run around and help the meek. Moreover Russia is doing more than just Fly-bys.

Which says nothing of the Kremlin and how they feel.




That being said one wouldn't necessarily advocate the consumption of too much Kool-Aid regarding Russia's belligerency in Eastern Ukraine and the general thuggish and increasingly autocratic nature of its premier, Mr. Vladimir Putin. These are indeed issues to be concerned about.....snip~


Let me guess.....you want someone else to take care of our problem for us, Right? Hope someone will come and save the day, huh? :roll:

So what do purpose besides military action? Or are you just complaining again with no real solution?
 
A U.S. admiral/general whining about how America needs more military expenditure...oh, like that is something new.

:roll:

It should be noted that this is but one geopolitical development albeit by one of the world's major powers. With various other countries increasing their military strength, it makes little sense for the U.S. to be on fiscal path that could reduce U.S. military power, including but not limited to combat manpower, in relative and perhaps even absolute terms. In the 21st century world, power matters, just as it has in earlier periods. The notion that hard power can be supplanted by rules or international institutions is little more than a hollow rationalization that makes little or no constructive national security contribution.

What an absolute load of Neocon nonsense.

Food stamp usage is up over 40% in the last 8 years, the federal government is running huge deficits and the economy is being propped up by the Fed...and you are stating how important it is that American military spending be maintained at it's present rate...even though she already spends MORE then the next TEN largest military spending countries COMBINED?

Defense Budget by Country

That is the dumbest idea I have read on here in some time - though I am POSITIVE their are tons of other right-wingers spewing the same Neocon madness.
If America does not get it's fiscal house in gear and figure out a way to grow her economy without government/Fed stimulus (the answer is leave the economy alone while balancing th budget, btw), then America will not be able to afford such luxuries as outspending the next 10 larger military powers for long

Neocons are so INCREDIBLY short sighted. They are like the Paul Krugman of the right...all they want is more and more money for their 'cause'...and no matter how much they get, it is never REMOTELY enough.
 
Last edited:
Yep, those provocative NATO expansions.

Well, had Ukraine belonged to Nato with Nato troops on the Krim? You are right and the Europeans should have realized that, when they went about the association treaty with Ukraine. But I was thinking of a more intrusive mix of measures.
 
Yeah Jog. Now are brass has some major concerns. From Disbanding the Iron Brigade to Drone Problems and recruiting Pilots.



New Russian Submarines Are So Silent That The U.S. Navy Calls Them “Black Holes”

New Russian Submarines Are So Silent That The U.S. Navy Calls Them


>" The much-anticipated delivery of these submarines, dubbed by the US Navy as “black holes in the ocean” because they are nearly undetectable when submerged, is a key part of Russia’s naval strategy in the Mediterranean "<

Varshavyanka-class-project_636M-310x220.jpg


https://www.defencetalk.com/russia-...rine-for-black-sea-fleet-49766/#ixzz34YYAeJnv

Have to grant them, it sounds a fine boat.
 
You can't defeat Taliban and ISIS. Russia is going to be a pain in the asss
 
Back
Top Bottom