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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin OS. China has increased their Military spending.....Russia has increased theirs. Others are doing the same. Despite the economics for each's own perspective.
    That does not change much. Even with Russia and China increasing their military spending, they are still no where near what US military spending is. Neither China or Russia is really closing the gap between their respective military spending in comparison to ours. Even with our downward trend from 2012 to 2014 mostly due to budget gridlocks we still are spending north of $800 Billion on Defense per year with no real end in sight. 2015 US military spending is projected to be higher than 2014, same story with 2016... and 2017... and 2018. We are going back up.

    What matters is how we spend and what we are seeing for it. My original point still stands.

    Technically speaking by the numbers you are getting your way, we are going to spend more year on year headed out as far as the CBO can project based on current military commitments around the globe and the impact here at home (Think VA costs from us just coming off the longest war in US history.) What is upsetting is during the entire time very few will be questioning that level of spending, and in fact wanting more to deal with today's round of Cold War.

    It is pure madness on our part and a bit of cleverness on their part in Russia being able to bait us into spending more.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    No he didn't. Ukraine had asked for membership and been turned down.
    The trade agreement does have that title 2, article 7 that those idiots in Brussels and Berlin put in without securing the boarders.
    Just a few months ago Poroshenko gave a speech and compared Ukraine with Poland, and said that just like they were once denied European inclusion, and had to fight for it, so too will Ukraine, and win. He then said he would turn his attention toward NATO and inclusion there as well. Russia however has drawn its red line, and will seemingly do whatever it takes to oppose a Ukrainian NATO state. That's just how it is.

    Poroshenko also said he would propose Ukraine abandon its non-aligned status and actively seek inclusion in the EU and in NATO.

    Poroshenko hints at EU, NATO status for Ukraine - UPI.com
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Nah I didn't say anything about Righteous. Nor being Righteous.....so that's a false nomer.

    You didn't want to say those Countries are standing up for whats Moral and Righteous.....did you?
    No, I didn't. No countries do. I just note that the average person accepts that US foreign policy is moral, when it's not. It's business.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Because they know we are overextending our military resources, and are racking up one hell of a debt because of. The Russians know we have an expensive, confusing, and hypocritical foreign policy that has taxed our military for well over a decade now.

    Put it in this perspective. The US spends more on our military than the next 8 to 10 nations combined (sources vary.) But even more disturbing, when you look at the entire planets spending on their respective nation's military might... US military spending accounts for some 38% of all military spending on this planet today. Yet our total population accounts for less than 5% of the world population. No one spends what we do on our military, no one is even close. The #2 spender, China, spends less than 30% of what we do. The #3 spender, Russia, spends less than 14% of what we do. The #4 spender, and down, are all in single digits.

    I can appreciate a US admiral suggesting we be concerned about the Russian's tests of our resolve here and there. Our problem then is not liberals wanting to cut military spending, our clear problem is how we spend on our military to keep up with this expensive, confusing, and hypocritical foreign policy that all comes down to modern day imperial thinking.

    We could cut our military spending by a third (perhaps even by half) and still spend far more than Russia and China does combined. At the same time we could handle Russia's tests here and there of our defensive resolve if we focused on domestic protections, instead of the present policy of running around the globe involved in way to many matters trying to instill our will to questionable results with one hell of a debt based expense.

    But no one wants to hear these facts, they want to hear about how much more we can spend in a new round of Cold War with the adversary in full knowledge of our spending habits today. And worse, they are about to use that against us.


    Now we have the reverse of the situation we had in the mid to late 80's, where the USSR was spending itself into bankruptcy trying to keep up the arms race and fight a war in Afghanistan. Now we have the US involved in seven wars and losing, and in Afghanistan. As well, US forces in the China Sea are being challenged, and Obama has lost trust with his allies, that little tantrum over Netanyahu still resonates with other leaders in similar situations; you know Stephen Harper who opposes any agreement with Iran is not his buddy especially after Keystone.

    So of course he's going to make the US spend some money where it didn't have to before and rattle the citizenry. Scare them into protest hard enough or long enough, and the US will have to increase defense spending. The spiral has started.

    And there is one cause, one. An inexperienced president who thought he could play with the pros...
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Just a few months ago Poroshenko gave a speech and compared Ukraine with Poland, and said that just like they were once denied European inclusion, and had to fight for it, so too will Ukraine, and win. He then said he would turn his attention toward NATO and inclusion there as well. Russia however has drawn its red line, and will seemingly do whatever it takes to oppose a Ukrainian NATO state. That's just how it is.

    Poroshenko also said he would propose Ukraine abandon its non-aligned status and actively seek inclusion in the EU and in NATO.

    Poroshenko hints at EU, NATO status for Ukraine - UPI.com
    For what is left of Ukraine the probability of being accepted in Nato certainly improved with Putin's war of aggression and annexation.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    That does not change much. Even with Russia and China increasing their military spending, they are still no where near what US military spending is. Neither China or Russia is really closing the gap between their respective military spending in comparison to ours. Even with our downward trend from 2012 to 2014 mostly due to budget gridlocks we still are spending north of $800 Billion on Defense per year with no real end in sight. 2015 US military spending is projected to be higher than 2014, same story with 2016... and 2017... and 2018. We are going back up.

    What matters is how we spend and what we are seeing for it. My original point still stands.

    Technically speaking by the numbers you are getting your way, we are going to spend more year on year headed out as far as the CBO can project based on current military commitments around the globe and the impact here at home (Think VA costs from us just coming off the longest war in US history.) What is upsetting is during the entire time very few will be questioning that level of spending, and in fact wanting more to deal with today's round of Cold War.

    It is pure madness on our part and a bit of cleverness on their part in Russia being able to bait us into spending more.



    From the Institute of Peace.


    National Defense Panel Releases Assessment of 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review
    Report Addresses U.S. National Security, Sequestration, Force Structure


    The consensus conclusion of the report is that there is a growing gap between the strategic objectives the U.S. military is expected to achieve and the resources required to do so. In their cover letter to Congress, NDP co-chairs Dr. William Perry and General John P. Abizaid wrote, “We must act now to address our challenges if the nation is to continue benefiting from its national security posture.” .....snip~

    National Defense Panel Releases Assessment of 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review | United States Institute of Peace

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    For what is left of Ukraine the probability of being accepted in Nato certainly improved with Putin's war of aggression and annexation.
    Glad to see you come around, a little lol. It will be met with great resistance.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    From the Institute of Peace.


    National Defense Panel Releases Assessment of 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review
    Report Addresses U.S. National Security, Sequestration, Force Structure


    The consensus conclusion of the report is that there is a growing gap between the strategic objectives the U.S. military is expected to achieve and the resources required to do so. In their cover letter to Congress, NDP co-chairs Dr. William Perry and General John P. Abizaid wrote, “We must act now to address our challenges if the nation is to continue benefiting from its national security posture.” .....snip~

    National Defense Panel Releases Assessment of 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review | United States Institute of Peace
    To the bolded. That's the point. Expectations remain unrealistic, but that's changing, as it should.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Glad to see you come around, a little lol. It will be met with great resistance.
    in which way did i say anything inconsistent with the prior?

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I didn't. No countries do. I just note that the average person accepts that US foreign policy is moral, when it's not. It's business.
    Well not strictly business we do all that humanitarian nstuff routine, and unfortunately.....the US has ruled out. Cutting out some of the competition. What happened?

    That's not a dog eat dog mentality, nor a winning strategy.

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