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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    FY2013 was 610 Billion in expenses. The military spending budget is going down. Compare that to Medicare and Medicaid which are surpassing our defense spending.
    As an outsider I would say that was not before time frankly

    When you look at where that money goes...we do a lot of operations for a lot of other countries. It is part of being the world's police. This is the roll we took on after WWII. There is a cost to that.
    As a percentage of your GDP theres no excuse for the level of spending you have sustained post Cold War

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    That spending brings so much growth to the US. How much is a positive GDP worth?
    None. Its simply a wasteful burden you have chosen to keep imposing on yourselves at levels close to the height of the Cold War despite the existential threat that warranted it having long since vanished

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you are denying American hegemony, lol.
    Most proud americans call it our duty as the worlds police..in todays termsn

    some on your side call it something else..

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If you want to debate the merits (or lack thereof) of USFP, fine. But dispense withe the dishonesty of appointing positions to me that I don't hold. You'll be equally hard pressed to quote me arguing for "complete disengagement" try it! Economic warfare and military adventurism is poor policy which has China and Russia doing things you're not going to like.
    Well, you've spent the last few posts defining my position, so don't gripe about me defining yours when you know as much about my position as you know about my dogs. China and Russia have only rarely done things of late I can even pretend to like, and it's certainly not all the result of US policy.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Most proud americans call it our duty as the worlds police..in todays termsn

    some on your side call it something else..
    Yes, people love imperialism, hegemony, resource exploitation and war. So long as they're the beneficiaries and victors.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Well, you've spent the last few posts defining my position, so don't gripe about me defining yours when you know as much about my position as you know about my dogs. China and Russia have only rarely done things of late I can even pretend to like, and it's certainly not all the result of US policy.
    And they're you go again. When did I tell you that everything Russia and China does is a result of US policy, hmm? Look at this again. And study it until you understand it.

    China challenges US economic war against Russia

    China challenges US economic war against Russia - World Socialist Web Site

    Directly challenging the NATO powers’ policy of cutting off credit to Russia to undermine the ruble and bankrupt the Russian economy, China is pledging to extend financial aid to Moscow.

    How US Policy Unites Iran and China
    November 1, 2014

    https://consortiumnews.com/2014/11/0...ran-and-china/

    Do you understand? If you like this trend, then keep on defending USFP!

    China, Iran, and Russia never bought into the geopolitical settlement that followed the Cold War, and they are making increasingly forceful attempts to overturn it. That process will not be peaceful, and whether or not the revisionists succeed, their efforts have already shaken the balance of power and changed the dynamics of international politics.

    http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articl...of-geopolitics
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    What a load of nonsense.

    So, this admiral is worried about Russian cruise missiles. What for?

    America spends over 9 times what Russia does on her military and the Russian Armed Forces are a shell of their Cold War self. Russia ...assuming NATO stayed out of a conflict (highly unlikely)...is no match whatsoever against America in a conventional war and they know it. Why on Earth would they start a war with America/Canada knowing they have near-zero chance of victory.
    And so what if they have cruise missiles...what would they do with them? If they are conventional, they would hardly matter for the above mentioned reasons. And if they were nuclear-tipped, why use them? The second one explodes on American soil, America will obliterate some/all of Russia. And why use them when they can far more easily do it with ICBM's?

    Sounds like another American General-Admiral who wants more and more money for whatever area of interest he has in the military so he drums up whatever nonsense he can to justify more money...or maybe he is just relatively stupid/neurotic.

    Whatever the reason, Russian cruise missiles pose NO direct military threat of consequence to America for the simple reason that Russia stands virtually no chance of winning a war against America, so why on Earth would they start it? Besides, America can counter Russian cruise missiles with her own that are much more accurate and carried by far more potent and capable delivery systems.

    The story is just neocon drivel. A few 60 year old Russian Bear bombers do some long range sabre-rattling and this Admiral starts to freak out. Get a grip guy.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    As an outsider I would say that was not before time frankly



    As a percentage of your GDP theres no excuse for the level of spending you have sustained post Cold War

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    None. Its simply a wasteful burden you have chosen to keep imposing on yourselves at levels close to the height of the Cold War despite the existential threat that warranted it having long since vanished
    Very well put, imo.


    Btw, where did you get that picture of - what I assume is - a Russian Bear bomber? Farnborough?

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    There is no threat from Russia in the near future. Sanctions have damn near crippled Russia's economy, and is forcing them to turn inward for the foreseeable future. No more Russian meddling or incursions. What we'll most likely be seeing is a Nato-Russo proxy war waged in Eastern Ukrainian and Donbas regions in a prolonged conflict with no visible winner, at the most. NATO will never openly engage Russia unless they attack a NATO country, and deliver an attack devastating enough to warrant a response. With sanctions, I don't see that happening. This is just rhetoric to increase NATO's geopolitical domination of Europe.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Btw, where did you get that picture of - what I assume is - a Russian Bear bomber? Farnborough?
    Its actually a maritime patrol Bear or TU 142 I photographed at the Kiev national aviation museum in Ukraine in 2010. Here are a couple more pictures with me standing in front of it

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Its actually a maritime patrol Bear or TU 142 I photographed at the Kiev national aviation museum in Ukraine in 2010. Here are a couple more pictures with me standing in front of it

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    Very cool.

    The Bear is one of my favorite military aircraft.

    It has props, but is as fast as a jet and one of the loudest planes ever to go into production apparently.

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