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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    That's the nature of the beast. We can't be geopolitical and downsize the military. Sure we don't need to intervene in some things, but that doesn't mean we should downsize the greatest military in the world when others are boosting theirs.

    If we want to be 'noninterventionalists' we need to pull out of every nation. That will never happen. So with that notion that we will not pull out of every nation, we should NEVER downsize. That's the incorrect solution. History will show. We're witnessing it.
    There's space on the spectrum between constant intervention all over the world and complete isolationism.

    As for downsizing, it's the same thing. There's a spectrum between a military that can fight a war on multiple fronts and a military more than large enough to defend the United states.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Russia's economy has certainly taken a hit. But you must be ignorant of their military spending in the last year. Let me educate you. They begun AT1 Manu's in every regiment. They've stacked each line with B9 Cali's and invested in Geospatial imagery components over future sats.

    They are certainly laughing at us, as we will be doing the exact opposite thanks to Obama's cuts. China? Don't get me started on why China is laughing at us. If what you've posted is your only argument, then quit while you think you're ahead. If you'd like, we can privately debate that....I'd be more than happy to :-)
    Don't kid yourself here. The US bloated military is vastly larger than any existential threat it is likely to face

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Don't kid yourself here. The US bloated military is vastly larger than any existential threat it is likely to face

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    Better to be safe than sorry :-)

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Don't kid yourself here. The US bloated military is vastly larger than any existential threat it is likely to face

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Better to be safe than sorry :-)
    FY2013 was 610 Billion in expenses. The military spending budget is going down. Compare that to Medicare and Medicaid which are surpassing our defense spending. When you look at where that money goes...we do a lot of operations for a lot of other countries. It is part of being the world's police. This is the roll we took on after WWII. There is a cost to that.

    That spending brings so much growth to the US. How much is a positive GDP worth?
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US isn't to blame for all the worlds woes, and you'd be hard pressed to find a quote of mine suggesting that strawman. The US is responsible for the woes it has created, and partisans such as yourself have no problem pointing them out either, so long as it's diminishing of the other party. Pointing to problems that the US has created during times that our FP was under the direction of either party is what earns one the anti-American label from the frustrated partisan.
    No particular quote of yours would say exactly that, but taken as a whole, your attitude strongly suggests that you seek to blame America first. Foreign policy should really exist apart from US partisan politics, and I place blame on those deserving of it here, regardless of party. I am partisan because I am free to express my views these days, and I intend to do so. I have yet to claim any involved in politics to be anti-American here, but I will if I think it is appropriate, particularly and especially as if involves FP. Blaming America first is not the same thing as expressing anti-American views. I view it as simple dismissal - an easy way out.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Russia's economy has certainly taken a hit. But you must be ignorant of their military spending in the last year. Let me educate you. They begun AT1 Manu's in every regiment. They've stacked each line with B9 Cali's and invested in Geospatial imagery components over future sats.

    They are certainly laughing at us, as we will be doing the exact opposite thanks to Obama's cuts. China? Don't get me started on why China is laughing at us. If what you've posted is your only argument, then quit while you think you're ahead. If you'd like, we can privately debate that....I'd be more than happy to :-)
    That's my whole point dude. Both Russia and China are while still far behind the US, spending increasingly more on their militaries. And USFP has been pushing these two closer together. I hope that's what you want.
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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No particular quote of yours would say exactly that, but taken as a whole, your attitude strongly suggests that you seek to blame America first. Foreign policy should really exist apart from US partisan politics, and I place blame on those deserving of it here, regardless of party. I am partisan because I am free to express my views these days, and I intend to do so. I have yet to claim any involved in politics to be anti-American here, but I will if I think it is appropriate, particularly and especially as if involves FP. Blaming America first is not the same thing as expressing anti-American views. I view it as simple dismissal - an easy way out.
    It doesn't matter what you label anybody, understand. And no, acknowledging US failures is anything but easy. What's easy is the patronizing approach of blaming everyone else for America's failures. You partisans righties have no problem trashing the president, the Democratic Party and all it's supporters, and calling it pro American, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Im denying that your posts are anythng but the usual liberal anti american drool..

    Trust me I know what it is.. LOL and I also recognize posts of garbage and ignorance..

    I also recognize what 'wiki" is also...LOL..
    So you are denying American hegemony, lol.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It doesn't matter what you label anybody, understand. And no, acknowledging US failures is anything but easy. What's easy is the patronizing approach of blaming everyone else for America's failures. You partisans righties have no problem trashing the president, the Democratic Party and all it's supporters, and calling it pro American, lol.
    Matters to me, and I seek to please myself in that regard. Yes, there are failures and bone-headed moves - anybody who attempts anything will be guilty of that from time to time. There is poor intelligence and misguided policy. That does not dismiss the actions of others. I have no problem trashing this president because his FP is a huge failure, and that's not based on partisanship. It's based on reality and the outcomes witnessed to date. You haughtily hold yourself above the fray, but you get your hands dirty in the politics of FP whether you admit it or not. Complete disengagement is only the avenue of the weak-minded, and you're not among those, either.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Matters to me, and I seek to please myself in that regard. Yes, there are failures and bone-headed moves - anybody who attempts anything will be guilty of that from time to time. There is poor intelligence and misguided policy. That does not dismiss the actions of others. I have no problem trashing this president because his FP is a huge failure, and that's not based on partisanship. It's based on reality and the outcomes witnessed to date. You haughtily hold yourself above the fray, but you get your hands dirty in the politics of FP whether you admit it or not. Complete disengagement is only the avenue of the weak-minded, and you're not among those, either.
    If you want to debate the merits (or lack thereof) of USFP, fine. But dispense withe the dishonesty of appointing positions to me that I don't hold. You'll be equally hard pressed to quote me arguing for "complete disengagement" try it! Economic warfare and military adventurism is poor policy which has China and Russia doing things you're not going to like.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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