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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Like I said, what sea lanes have either of those countries closed, or threatened to close, hmm?
    You are of the position that unless the worst happens, then why concern yourself. I don't imagine you treat your own personal health in that manner because it's not a rational position. Much the same applies to world events. If you can read the links below and tell me that such an effort isn't under way, then you aren't treating what I've described in a rational manner.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/07/us-china-seas-fishermen-idUSBREA4603C20140507

    english.vov.vn/Politics/East-Sea/China-keeps-intimidating-Vietnamese-law-enforcement-ships/278641.vov

    touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80365797/

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/china...nd-us-patience

    thediplomat.com/2015/01/chinas-military-parade-a-warning-to-japan-and-the-us/

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You are of the position that unless the worst happens, then why concern yourself. I don't imagine you treat your own personal health in that manner because it's not a rational position. Much the same applies to world events. If you can read the links below and tell me that such an effort isn't under way, then you aren't treating what I've described in a rational manner.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/07/us-china-seas-fishermen-idUSBREA4603C20140507

    english.vov.vn/Politics/East-Sea/China-keeps-intimidating-Vietnamese-law-enforcement-ships/278641.vov

    touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80365797/

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/china...nd-us-patience

    thediplomat.com/2015/01/chinas-military-parade-a-warning-to-japan-and-the-us/
    Defending ones territory, even if such is disputed, is not blocking "shipping lanes" do you know what shipping lanes are, and where they are?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Defending ones territory, even if such is disputed, is not blocking "shipping lanes" do you know what shipping lanes are, and where they are?
    No it isn't blocking. It's an attempt to do that, which indicates pretty clearly the intention if allowed to go unchecked. So when the Vietnamese assert their territorial rights in the face of military force to deny them that internationally recognized right, you're okay with them having to forfeit that right. Interesting. At what point would you object to the Chinese action?

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No it isn't blocking. It's an attempt to do that, which indicates pretty clearly the intention if allowed to go unchecked. So when the Vietnamese assert their territorial rights in the face of military force to deny them that internationally recognized right, you're okay with them having to forfeit that right. Interesting. At what point would you object to the Chinese action?
    I realize you enjoy an all powerful America, based about the globe to assert US interests, always at the ready to use the military to enforce them, while continually denying the same of anyone else and demonizing them for doing the same. US FP is driving Russia and China closer to an alliance that will not be favorable for the US in the end. The Project for a New American Century isn't working out too well, and US hegemony is waning. I suppose you'd favor a war with China due to their insistence that a few islands and resources in the SCS belong to them. But I'm not.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I realize you enjoy an all powerful America, based about the globe to assert US interests, always at the ready to use the military to enforce them, while continually denying the same of anyone else and demonizing them for doing the same. US FP is driving Russia and China closer to an alliance that will not be favorable for the US in the end. The Project for a New American Century isn't working out too well, and US hegemony is waning. I suppose you'd favor a war with China due to their insistence that a few islands and resources in the SCS belong to them. But I'm not.
    No, I don't enjoy an all powerful America with military force ready to enforce our interests at my whim. I don't direct US foreign policy. Were I the one doing that, it would be vastly different than it currently is. You have no particular idea what my views are on that issue. And no, your supposition that I favor war with China and or Russia is grossly in error. I am not in the business of blaming the US for all the worlds woes, either, in spite of the ham-handedness of the current administration's conduct on the foreign policy front.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
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    U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat - CNN.com

    It should be noted that this is but one geopolitical development albeit by one of the world's major powers. With various other countries increasing their military strength, it makes little sense for the U.S. to be on fiscal path that could reduce U.S. military power, including but not limited to combat manpower, in relative and perhaps even absolute terms. In the 21st century world, power matters, just as it has in earlier periods. The notion that hard power can be supplanted by rules or international institutions is little more than a hollow rationalization that makes little or no constructive national security contribution.
    Because the "smart" Obama-followers believe that no one wants to hurt the US. They think "sure, let's reduce the US armed forces, then people we'll see we're peaceful!". Meanwhile, Russia and China are laughing hysterically.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No it isn't blocking. It's an attempt to do that, which indicates pretty clearly the intention if allowed to go unchecked. So when the Vietnamese assert their territorial rights in the face of military force to deny them that internationally recognized right, you're okay with them having to forfeit that right. Interesting. At what point would you object to the Chinese action?
    He doesnt care about anyone elses actions only those of the US. He'll object to those anytime any place and anywhere be they justified or not.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    He doesnt care about anyone elses actions only those of the US. He'll object to those anytime any place and anywhere be they justified or not.
    For some, as long as things are fine at your house, the rest doesn't matter, and anything that might offer to infringe on that self-contained happiness is suspect. I understand and appreciate that viewpoint, but I don't endorse it.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    For some, as long as things are fine at your house, the rest doesn't matter, and anything that might offer to infringe on that self-contained happiness is suspect. I understand and appreciate that viewpoint, but I don't endorse it.
    Thats a longhand explanation of isolationism.

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    Re: U.S. admiral raises alarm over Russian military threat

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Thats a longhand explanation of isolationism.
    Maybe, but there are caveats depending on exactly what is threatened. That which one holds sacrosanct does not necessarily conform to another's.

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