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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you actually know what happened here?

    A makeup artist transformed himself into several famous females. The transformation pictures were put up on a screen showing the makeup artist before and after shots. Michelle Obama's picture was never used or shown.

    This "fashionista" commented, "well you know, Michelle Obama looks like she should be in the cast of Planet of the Apes". It was a reference to the makeup artist's depiction of himself as Michelle Obama.

    If you want to make the stretch of saying he is comparing Michelle Obama to an ape, you're welcome to do so.
    Lmao, ah okay, she said she should be cast in Planet of the Apes. A movie with a bunch of people dressed like apes. And that's somehow different than being called a monkey. You're either pretending to be obtuse about the implications of his comments or you're trying to parse a new meaning to his words. Which is it?

    Also, Michelle Obama's face was used when the bit started. You're REALLY trying hard to excuse this.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, ah okay, she said she should be cast in Planet of the Apes. A movie with a bunch of people dressed like apes. And that's somehow different than being called a monkey. You're either pretending to be obtuse about the implications of his comments or you're trying to parse a new meaning to his words. Which is it?

    Also, Michelle Obama's face was used when the bit started. You're REALLY trying hard to excuse this.
    I corrected my post after reviewing the OP clip. I don't speak Spanish, so I can't comment on the context of the discussion that took place, only the translation provided.

    And again, I don't look at people and see skin colour - I'm not built that way and never have - you, and others, in America are apparently raised to view people by the colour of their skin and react to references to them as references to their race. That's not how I was raised or how I live my life. You have your views based on your life experiences - I have mine. I respect yours - you can choose to view mine however you'd like - makes no difference to me. I'll continue to express my opinion - it is of no less or greater value than yours.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not consumed by race. I don't look at people and see the colour of their skin first and consider all references to them as reflective of their skin colour. Clearly, many in America do just that. It's a pity.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry you missed the analogy and got it so ****ing wrong. It's comparable to the outcry of free speech - Charlie should be allowed to make fun of Muslims and Mohammed, ridicule his image, and the world should protect the magazine's humour and political bite, but a gay fashionista should be driven from the air and ostracized completely for daring to make a nasty, snide comment about Michelle Obama's looks. It's the double standard so frequently at play here - your speech is protected and sacred as long as I support it.
    See, now that you've clarified your position it makes you look even worse, because that idiotic of a comparison actually reflects your premeditated beliefs and wasn't something you just came up with off the cuff.

    These two situations bear absolutely ZERO similarity. In the Charlie Hebdo situation, journalists were murdered by jihadists, then a few idiotic news commentators made some ****ty comments. In this situation a news commentator made a ****ty comment and was fired by his employer for it.

    Comparing an employer firing an employee for saying something bigoted to jihadist murders is pretty much the modern equivalent of Godwin'ing and argument. You might as well have thrown in some nazis for good measure. Jesus christ that what an idiotic comparison.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    See, now that you've clarified your position it makes you look even worse, because that idiotic of a comparison actually reflects your premeditated beliefs and wasn't something you just came up with off the cuff.

    These two situations bear absolutely ZERO similarity. In the Charlie Hebdo situation, journalists were murdered by jihadists, then a few idiotic news commentators made some ****ty comments. In this situation a news commentator made a ****ty comment and was fired by his employer for it.

    Comparing an employer firing an employee for saying something bigoted to jihadist murders is pretty much the modern equivalent of Godwin'ing and argument. You might as well have thrown in some nazis for good measure. Jesus christ that what an idiotic comparison.
    Your post here doubles down on the stupidity of your first post - are you purposely being obtuse?

    I'm not comparing anything to jihadists. I'm comparing the glorifying of the Charlie cartoonists, celebrating their free speech rights to be as outrageous as they wish to the condemnation of a fashionista, freely speaking his point of view. In the Charlie case, it's glorified because many love ridiculing religion and Islam in particular. In the fashionista case, it's condemned because many love the American First Lady. Free speech is only a wonderful principle for some when the speech is something they support and agree with.

    Got it now? Or are you still intent on flogging a point that was never made?
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Your post here doubles down on the stupidity of your first post - are you purposely being obtuse?

    I'm not comparing anything to jihadists, you fool. I'm comparing the glorifying of the Charlie cartoonists, celebrating their free speech rights to be as outrageous as they wish to the condemnation of a fashionista, freely speaking his point of view. In the Charlie case, it's glorified because many love ridiculing religion and Islam in particular. In the fashionista case, it's condemned because many love the American First Lady. Free speech is only a wonderful principle for some when the speech is something they support and agree with.

    Got it now? Or are you still intent on flogging a point that was never made?
    There is absolutely zero comparison. You're still peddling this absolute nonsense. Please list all of the people who were fired from Charlie Hebdo for voicing their opinions in a journalistic manor. You're comparing a company firing an employee to random newscasters making comments that effected no one and cost no one a single job.

    Your ignorance and devotion to derailing this thread into a charlie hebdo discussion is mind blowing. It's not really any wonder people around here don't really take you seriously.

    Why don't you go to your work and make some racist comments then when they fire you, you can whine about Charlie Hebdo.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There is absolutely zero comparison. You're still peddling this absolute nonsense. Please list all of the people who were fired from Charlie Hebdo for voicing their opinions in a journalistic manor. You're comparing a company firing an employee to random newscasters making comments that effected no one and cost no one a single job.

    Your ignorance and devotion to derailing this thread into a charlie hebdo discussion is mind blowing. It's not really any wonder people around here don't really take you seriously.

    Why don't you go to your work and make some racist comments then when they fire you, you can whine about Charlie Hebdo.
    Doh - so your post triples down on dense - no, no one was fired from Charlie - that's the point. Thousands of people if not millions find the Charlie cartoons offensive, and not all of them are Muslims, but you support the message so you champion their free speech. You don't like the reference to Michelle Obama, so you want the guy fired and strung up. You don't support free speech, you support the freedom of speech you support.

    And just to be clear, a Charlie cartoonist was fired previously because he made fun of Jews in his work. But you didn't hear about that.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You are lying
    In his defense, I don't think he's actually lying, I think he actually thinks this situation is just like the Charlie Hebdo massacre. It is absolutely mind boggling the lengths angry conservatives on the internet will go to attack the Obamas.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Doh - so your post triples down on dense - no, no one was fired from Charlie - that's the point. Thousands of people if not millions find the Charlie cartoons offensive, and not all of them are Muslims, but you support the message so you champion their free speech. You don't like the reference to Michelle Obama, so you want the guy fired and strung up.

    And just to be clear, a Charlie cartoonist was fired previously because he made fun of Jews in his work. But you didn't hear about that.
    Uh huh, so now the tenuous connection you claimed now has no relevance whatsoever?

    I don't know how it is in Canada, but in most parts of the world free speech has absolutely nothing to do with your employer firing you.

    So let's compare again:

    Charlie Hebdo: Jihadists murdered journalists, no one was fired.

    Univision Incident: Journalist was fired by a private company for poorly representing the company, no one was killed.

    Making a comparison to these two things is patently absurd. You're free to wish to have the power to force companies to employ people they don't want, but you don't have that power. Stop crying and stop making idiotic unrelated comparisons.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    There is absolutely zero comparison. You're still peddling this absolute nonsense. Please list all of the people who were fired from Charlie Hebdo for voicing their opinions in a journalistic manor. You're comparing a company firing an employee to random newscasters making comments that effected no one and cost no one a single job.

    Your ignorance and devotion to derailing this thread into a charlie hebdo discussion is mind blowing. It's not really any wonder people around here don't really take you seriously.

    Why don't you go to your work and make some racist comments then when they fire you, you can whine about Charlie Hebdo.
    He seems to think that there's some sort of contradiction being demonstrated because some statements are approved of while others are criticized. His idea of free speech means that people must either approve of all statements or criticize all statements.

    It's another case of the right not recognizing that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of speaking.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you really unfamiliar with the history of comparing black people to monkeys or are you just pretending to be?
    I'm familiar with the historical aspect of it, but my questions still stand as I don't understand the basic logic to make the comparison.

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