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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

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    Doh, let's state the obvious. What's free speech have to do with Charlie?
    Everything. The supposed catalyst behind the CH attacks were the fact that their free speech rights allowed them to do as they please; including insulting Mohammad.

    It was taken as a symbol of free speech. It's a shame you don't understand the symbolism. The White House calling a TV station to fire and shut down someone who said something they find offensive. You don't think that's a little heavy handed, a little government enforcement through intimidation?
    CJ, this is all based on the statements of the person fired and nothing else. Hence why he said the admission was verbal. You want to take it as gospel even though there is no reason to believe that a call was even made by the WH. Hell, what he said alone is enough to fire anyone else. If I said gays looked like monkeys at my job, I'd be fired immediately. You can take ANY group of people and generally insulting anyone based on such an insult would get you fired. Your insistence that this is all the fault of the WH is absurd. His statements were reprehensible, he was fired as a result because keeping him on would have been supportive of his views. That's not a violation of freedom of speech or any sort of intimidation. You have EVERY right to your words, you also have to deal with the legal consequences of uttering them. This was a legal consequence. If you don't like it? Don't work for Univision; end of story.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It only matters if that person is black and the First Lady of America to those who are politically correct and who abhor any negativity directed at those they support.

    He said she looked like she should be a member of the cast of Planet of the Apes. Perhaps he thought she looked like Charlton Heston - would that be okay?
    Right. Heston. I'm sure that was the reference.

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    Yeah, I don't get it. Humans share a common ancestor in apes, so I don't understand how only monkeys is a racist slam on blacks. Monkeys come in all shapes and colors.

    I have dark skin, but I'm not black, so does that mean its racist if someone calls me a monkey?
    Are you really unfamiliar with the history of comparing black people to monkeys or are you just pretending to be?
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Everything. The supposed catalyst behind the CH attacks were the fact that their free speech rights allowed them to do as they please; including insulting Mohammad.



    CJ, this is all based on the statements of the person fired and nothing else. Hence why he said the admission was verbal. You want to take it as gospel even though there is no reason to believe that a call was even made by the WH. Hell, what he said alone is enough to fire anyone else. If I said gays looked like monkeys at my job, I'd be fired immediately. You can take ANY group of people and generally insulting anyone based on such an insult would get you fired. Your insistence that this is all the fault of the WH is absurd. His statements were reprehensible, he was fired as a result because keeping him on would have been supportive of his views. That's not a violation of freedom of speech or any sort of intimidation. You have EVERY right to your words, you also have to deal with the legal consequences of uttering them. This was a legal consequence. If you don't like it? Don't work for Univision; end of story.
    I don't take anyone in such circumstances at their word, considering the times. However, he has made the statement, he has said someone at Univision told him so and I have not heard either Univision or the White House dispute that claim. If you have, please direct me to it.

    In the absence of information to the contrary, I'm free to opine that I think the White House calling a TV station in order to have someone fired over something the White House found offensive is very troubling. If you don't, that's fine. Doesn't matter if he may have been fired anyway. If the White House is so thin skinned and petty that they'd use their great powers of intimidation, that's very telling in and of itself.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Right. Heston. I'm sure that was the reference.



    Are you really unfamiliar with the history of comparing black people to monkeys or are you just pretending to be?
    I'm not consumed by race. I don't look at people and see the colour of their skin first and consider all references to them as reflective of their skin colour. Clearly, many in America do just that. It's a pity.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't take anyone in such circumstances at their word, considering the times. However, he has made the statement, he has said someone at Univision told him so and I have not heard either Univision or the White House dispute that claim.
    And the only proof he has is: "Because I said so!". Univision and the WH not disputing it is irrelevant. If you make a claim, it's not proven true if nobody else challenges it. It's proven true if you have the evidence to back it up. He doesn't. Until he does, there's nothing for anybody to acknowledge. So where is the evidence?
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Right. Heston. I'm sure that was the reference.



    Are you really unfamiliar with the history of comparing black people to monkeys or are you just pretending to be?
    Right wingers are obviously unfamiliar with the history of comparing black people to monkeys




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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And the only proof he has is: "Because I said so!". Univision and the WH not disputing it is irrelevant. If you make a claim, it's not proven true if nobody else challenges it. It's proven true if you have the evidence to back it up. He doesn't. Until he does, there's nothing for anybody to acknowledge. So where is the evidence?
    I was simply commenting on the "evidence" presented in this thread by the author of the OP who followed up with reference to the White House connection. I will note that I just did some further checking on my own and the White House is not commenting, the First Lady's office is not commenting, but CBS reports that Univision is disputing the claim and saying that they contacted the First Lady's office, not the other way around. I'll accept that version until proven otherwise.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I was simply commenting on the "evidence" presented in this thread by the author of the OP who followed up with reference to the White House connection. I will note that I just did some further checking on my own and the White House is not commenting, the First Lady's office is not commenting, but CBS reports that Univision is disputing the claim and saying that they contacted the First Lady's office, not the other way around. I'll accept that version until proven otherwise.
    Lmao, you don't have to accept anything either way. This is a disgruntled employee saying something and then expecting others to prove him wrong when he's offered no proof of his own. There is no story here other than: "Guy said something racist, guy got fired for it, guy ranted that it was Obama's fault." Be honest with yourself and ask whether ANYBODY on live television would have held on to their jobs after calling ANY first lady a monkey. The truth is that they wouldn't. Hell, unless you worked somewhere full of racists, there is no way calling a black woman a monkey as a joke wouldn't have gotten them fired.

    Well... maybe at Ferguson PD they would have held on to their jobs.
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you don't have to accept anything either way. This is a disgruntled employee saying something and then expecting others to prove him wrong when he's offered no proof of his own. There is no story here other than: "Guy said something racist, guy got fired for it, guy ranted that it was Obama's fault." Be honest with yourself and ask whether ANYBODY on live television would have held on to their jobs after calling ANY first lady a monkey. The truth is that they wouldn't. Hell, unless you worked somewhere full of racists, there is no way calling a black woman a monkey as a joke wouldn't have gotten them fired.

    Well... maybe at Ferguson PD they would have held on to their jobs.
    Do you actually know what happened here?

    A makeup artist transformed himself into several famous females. The transformation pictures were put up on a screen showing the makeup artist before and after shots. Michelle Obama's picture was never used or shown.

    This "fashionista" commented, "well you know, Michelle Obama looks like she should be in the cast of Planet of the Apes". It was a reference to the makeup artist's depiction of himself as Michelle Obama.

    If you want to make the stretch of saying he is comparing Michelle Obama to an ape, you're welcome to do so.

    Edit: - correction, upon further review, Michelle Obama's picture was shown in comparison to the makeup artist's transformations
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    Re: Emmy-Winning Mexican Univision host Fired Over Racist "Planet of Apes"=Michelle O

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you actually know what happened here?

    A makeup artist transformed himself into several famous females. The transformation pictures were put up on a screen showing the makeup artist before and after shots. Michelle Obama's picture was never used or shown.

    This "fashionista" commented, "well you know, Michelle Obama looks like she should be in the cast of Planet of the Apes". It was a reference to the makeup artist's depiction of himself as Michelle Obama.

    If you want to make the stretch of saying he is comparing Michelle Obama to an ape, you're welcome to do so.
    You are lying

    The fashionista, known for his critical "Fashion Police"-style remarks, analyzed Ballesteros' transformation for Michelle Obama with an original photo of the first lady beside it."Mind you, you know that Michelle Obama looks like she's part of the cast of "Planet of the Apes," the film," Figueroa said.
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