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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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The meatball story is a not so clever disguise at your attempt to diminish the seriousness of the Justice Departments report.

The report is one side of the story as told by a person with a political agenda.
 
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The report is one side of the story as told by a person with a political agenda.

Oh, ok. Nothing here, now move on.
 
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oh, so it's ok for police to randomly sweep civilians because some terrorist, is on the loose. When it comes to terrorism, rights are secondarty and "by all means needed" the police state can act. , but it's the worst thing in the world if some jackass on a bridge sets up with his ar and a scope.



**** that statist noise.

Agreed. This is classic surrender of liberty for security.
 
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The retaliation by a victimized minority will likely kick some sense into the civility-starved FPD, as well as the DOJ lawsuit.

Every once in awhile, bad cops need to be spanked.

Really? How were those cops bad? How? I want a ****ing answer.
 
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Alex Jones?

Aside from one moron shouting “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening,” where and when exactly was all this "celebrating" from lots of people?

I take it you never saw Twitter posts before? There are several shown at the link you ridiculed.
 
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American I fully condem this violence but you just can't always shoot the messenger. I am not trying to attack you or be a race baiter but Holder did not pick up the guns and shoot. Do you really think either the racism in the report was purposely exaggerated or injected to incite violence?

Rhetoric has power.

:shrug:
 
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There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.

Nothing more that political partisan finger pointing. While the DOJ may or may not have acted inappropriately (your side has never supplied any evidence that this is true, you merely state it as if it was), there are some fundamental problems that have existed now for decades and are now starting to boil over. The violence we're seeing isn't because of the DOJ or Obama, or any other ignorant, politically motivated, partisan deflection people are trying to make. There are real issues with the system, particularly with the level of force we allow government to exercise against its own People. That needs to be first and foremost, that needs to be debated and discussed, that needs to be resolved.

Pointing your fingers at Obama isn't going to solve this problem.
 
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Nothing more that political partisan finger pointing. While the DOJ may or may not have acted inappropriately (your side has never supplied any evidence that this is true, you merely state it as if it was), there are some fundamental problems that have existed now for decades and are now starting to boil over. The violence we're seeing isn't because of the DOJ or Obama, or any other ignorant, politically motivated, partisan deflection people are trying to make. There are real issues with the system, particularly with the level of force we allow government to exercise against its own People. That needs to be first and foremost, that needs to be debated and discussed, that needs to be resolved.

Pointing your fingers at Obama isn't going to solve this problem.

There has been plenty provided to make the case that this DOJ is the most politicized ever. From the AG report over his civil rights division to the scathing reprimands from federal judges and policies that he promoted on behalf of this administration and overturned in the Supreme Court. Now if you do not wish to believe it, that's your prerogative, but the case has definitely been made .
 
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Nothing more that political partisan finger pointing. While the DOJ may or may not have acted inappropriately (your side has never supplied any evidence that this is true, you merely state it as if it was), there are some fundamental problems that have existed now for decades and are now starting to boil over. The violence we're seeing isn't because of the DOJ or Obama, or any other ignorant, politically motivated, partisan deflection people are trying to make. There are real issues with the system, particularly with the level of force we allow government to exercise against its own People. That needs to be first and foremost, that needs to be debated and discussed, that needs to be resolved.

Pointing your fingers at Obama isn't going to solve this problem.

Yeah. This won't be acknowledged. To do so requires looking within, and nobody likes that. But I agree with your point.
 
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There has been plenty provided to make the case that this DOJ is the most politicized ever. From the AG report over his civil rights division to the scathing reprimands from federal judges and policies that he promoted on behalf of this administration and overturned in the Supreme Court. Now if you do not wish to believe it, that's your prerogative, but the case has definitely been made .

I have no doubt that government is horrifically partisan these days. That does not mean that there are not real, fundamental issues in this system that need to be addressed. It's illogical to say that there are no problems because the DOJ may be partisan.

Pointing your fingers at Obama isn't going to solve this problem.
 
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I have no doubt that government is horrifically partisan these days. That does not mean that there are not real, fundamental issues in this system that need to be addressed. It's illogical to say that there are no problems because the DOJ may be partisan.

Pointing your fingers at Obama isn't going to solve this problem.

And neither is fueling the flames by claiming white racists are the reason for all of black people's woes which is exactly what this administration is doing and it is absolutely despicable.
 
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And neither is fueling the flames by claiming white racists are the reason for all of black people's woes which is exactly what this administration is doing and it is absolutely despicable.

To the bolded. Will you please quote an Obama administration official making this claim?
 
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And neither is fueling the flames by claiming white racists are the reason for all of black people's woes which is exactly what this administration is doing and it is absolutely despicable.

It does not help, but it is not the fundamental. To solve the problem, the fundamental must be addressed. This pathetic partisanship refuses to address the fundamental. The only thing the lot of you want to do is point your fingers at the other side and say "it's so bad because of them", meanwhile the Republic falls apart because nothing is being done to solve the problems. This is the result of putting your party before the Republic. The Republic is condemned to death. And that's the road we're on. And it's not just Obama's fault, and it's not just Holder's fault. Every last one of the partisan non-thinkers are to blame. Every knee-jerk reaction to blame the other side while sitting around with their thumbs up their ass pulls the Republic down just a little bit more.

This great experiment in democracy is failing because people will only point their fingers, and do nothing to examine the fundamentals. And happily do the partisan non-thinkers skip down this road. The Republic is betrayed by apathy, laziness, ignorance, and stupidity.

Be part of the solution. Think!
 
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To the bolded. Will you please quote an Obama administration official making this claim?
How about quoting his actions and the actions of the DOJ in regard to ratcheting up racism causing great damage? The actions speak for themselves.
 
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How about quoting his actions and the actions of the DOJ in regard to ratcheting up racism causing great damage? The actions speak for themselves.

Actions? You call exposing corruption and racism "great damage"? Good gawd, what's wrong with you?
 
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Actions? You call exposing corruption and racism "great damage"? Good gawd, what's wrong with you?
The DOJ's actions from day one in Ferguson helped fuel the riots and discontent. The actions of this DOJ has been making claims for 6 years that white folk are racist. From schools to fire departments, to police departments to any person of a political leaning than isn't that of this administration and its these people they claim who are keeping the black man down. But they never ever ever ever ever address the real issues plaguing the black race.
 
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The DOJ's actions from day one in Ferguson helped fuel the riots and discontent. The actions of this DOJ has been making claims for 6 years that white folk are racist. From schools to fire departments, to police departments to any person of a political leaning than isn't that of this administration and its these people they claim who are keeping the black man down. But they never ever ever ever ever address the real issues plaguing the black race.
The politicians will either go along to get along to advance their careers and private citizens will face charges of 'racism' if they speak out. There are some exceptions.

Black Democrats and Liberals should stop promoting aspirations of mediocrity by settling for what is meted out of a government system inherently designed to provide just enough to “get by.” As a Black Conservative, I demand less from government and more from oneself. Black Democrats have to stop blindly following an ideology that has clearly failed Black Americans.

Get Over It...Democratic Liberals Have Failed the Black Community - Deneen Borelli
 
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Even commenting on the fact that they speak and write worse than a fifth grader is condemned as racist. "It's their culture." As if we're the bad guys because we don't tolerate or want to hire people who can't speak or write proper English. Sheesh.

That demonstrates what this is all about-a means of control or coercion. They know people dont like being called racist, and so they as the arbiters of racism :)doh) use the threat of such a label to control your behavior and speech.
 
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The DOJ's actions from day one in Ferguson helped fuel the riots and discontent. The actions of this DOJ has been making claims for 6 years that white folk are racist. From schools to fire departments, to police departments to any person of a political leaning than isn't that of this administration and its these people they claim who are keeping the black man down. But they never ever ever ever ever address the real issues plaguing the black race.

Rubbish. What actions. Why do you hate black people, and wtf is wrong with you? You have issues if you think that cleaning up corruption is a problem.
 
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Rubbish. What actions. Why do you hate black people, and wtf is wrong with you? You have issues if you think that cleaning up corruption is a problem.

You sound like Al Sharpton. No one can criticize Obama or Holder without being accused of racism. There have been several examples of how Holder has used the idea that white folks are racist if statistics show more white people employed even though it isn't racist to hire the one that does the best on the test and has nothing to do with race. He has tried to make public schools out to be racist because more blacks are expelled and the dropout rate for blacks is higher than other races. He has blamed the poverty of black Americans on racism when it is 70% of black babies are born to single mothers which is the number one cause of poverty in this country. Now there are some real troubling issues within the black community that this administration could have focused on like promoting legislation that would create more jobs instead of stifling jobs growth through massive regulations. And what kind of message does it send the black youth when the New Black Panther Party caught red handed on tape engaged in voter suppression using intimidation and force and Holder dismissed the case? Black gangs are on the rise and the sad part is they are killing each other.
 
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Rubbish. What actions. Why do you hate black people, and wtf is wrong with you? You have issues if you think that cleaning up corruption is a problem.
Cleaning up corruption is one thing. Stoking violence, inciting riots is quite another. So far, Obama's DOJ has led to Ferguson burning, two NYPD getting murdered and now the shooting of these two officers in Ferguson. That's not exactly a feather in Holder's cap.
 
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You sound like Al Sharpton. No one can criticize Obama or Holder without being accused of racism. There have been several examples of how Holder has used the idea that white folks are racist if statistics show more white people employed even though it isn't racist to hire the one that does the best on the test and has nothing to do with race. He has tried to make public schools out to be racist because more blacks are expelled and the dropout rate for blacks is higher than other races. He has blamed the poverty of black Americans on racism when it is 70% of black babies are born to single mothers which is the number one cause of poverty in this country. Now there are some real troubling issues within the black community that this administration could have focused on like promoting legislation that would create more jobs instead of stifling jobs growth through massive regulations. And what kind of message does it send the black youth when the New Black Panther Party caught red handed on tape engaged in voter suppression using intimidation and force and Holder dismissed the case? Black gangs are on the rise and the sad part is they are killing each other.

Still wrong. Obviously you've missed my mountains of criticism of Obama. I've probably even criticized him for things you support him on! Feature that.
 
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Cleaning up corruption is one thing. Stoking violence, inciting riots is quite another. So far, Obama's DOJ has led to Ferguson burning, two NYPD getting murdered and now the shooting of these two officers in Ferguson. That's not exactly a feather in Holder's cap.

You don't realize how foolish you sound blaming Holder for those crimes. But hey, you should lead a move to have him prosecuted for that, I sure would if I believed it.
 
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You don't realize how foolish you sound blaming Holder for those crimes. But hey, you should lead a move to have him prosecuted for that, I sure would if I believed it.

Had the DOJ come right out and said that the evidence indicates the following:

1. Brown's own actions, from robbing that store to fighting with the cop, probably caused his death
2. Witnesses appear to be lying in that Brown was not surrendering when he was shot

None of this crap would have happened.

BUt, instead we saw Holder and Obama both give speeches about how they themselves were racially profiled and other black grievances. In fact, it got so ridiculous that Obama claimed someone handed him keys to a car at an event, thinking he was a valet, and Michelle whined about being asked to get something off a shelf at Target, this sudden grievance coming on the heels of her previous claim during election season that the request made her feel more a part of the AMerican Public. Kind of reminds me of the silly "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin" comment.
 
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Cleaning up corruption is one thing. Stoking violence, inciting riots is quite another. So far, Obama's DOJ has led to Ferguson burning, two NYPD getting murdered and now the shooting of these two officers in Ferguson. That's not exactly a feather in Holder's cap.
Despite the shootings of two police in Ferguson, and the death of two others in New York, Obama continues to run off at the mouth. The man is a fool.
"What had been happening in Ferguson was oppressive and objectionable and was worthy of protest, but there was no excuse for criminal acts," he said.

"Whoever fired those shots should not detract from the issue — they are criminals, they need to be arrested. And then what we need to do is make sure that like-minded, good-spirited people on both sides — law enforcement, who have a terrifically tough job, and people who understandably don't want to be stopped and harassed just because of their race — that they are able to work together to come up with some good answers."
 
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