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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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So in other words, the DOJ does a big investigation (at their own behest), says that racism and corruption is rampant in the city, gave pages of suggestions of what needs to be done, and then just walks away. Got it.

I'm not being coy. You're the one who's saying this. And it's only in your imagination that I oppose seeing the PD in Ferguson cleared out. In fact, I've said the opposite many times in this thread. I even said the entire force should be transferred and an entirely new one brought in. When I said that, you said it wasn't fair to transfer non-corrupt cops. Are you not reading my posts and do you not remember your own rebuttal to my posts?

Yes, you sarcastically said if the whole departments bad, replace it. Except the whole department isn't bad. Baby-bath water. And racists shouldn't be transferred, they should be fired. And law enforcement that's breaking the law should be both fired and prosecuted. The same for those violating the constitutional rights of the citizens of Ferguson, as documented in the report. And yes, having completed their job, the JD needs to walk away and leave it to the local authorities to implement its recommendations. Do you really not understand how things work? And of course the JD investigates at their own behest, it's their J.O.B.
 
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No, what's really racist is to allow private schools for prosperous Blacks and Whites while eliminating school choice for poverty stricken Black neighborhoods. And your knee-jerk response with 'racism' is why many non Black people don't like to get involved in the discussion about problems within the Black Community.
We know it's there, it's visible, but we self censor.

Race hustlers like Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, Holder, and the NAACP do more harm perpetuating the inferiority of Blacks (Affirmative Action is an example) then than doing everything they can, for political and financial reasons I believe, to advance the situation for Blacks in America.

Obama Wrong on D.C. School Vouchers and Hypocritical, Just Like Congress - US News

Get Over It...Democratic Liberals Have Failed the Black Community - Deneen Borelli

To the bolded, yes, that too is racist. As to your comments on race baiters, they too exist, though I disagree with you that the president is one. And my observation of your racism was deliberate and not knee jerk.
 
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Yes, you sarcastically said if the whole departments bad, replace it. Except the whole department isn't bad. Baby-bath water. And racists shouldn't be transferred, they should be fired. And law enforcement that's breaking the law should be both fired and prosecuted. The same for those violating the constitutional rights of the citizens of Ferguson, as documented in the report. And yes, having completed their job, the JD needs to walk away and leave it to the local authorities to implement its recommendations. Do you really not understand how things work? And of course the JD investigates at their own behest, it's their J.O.B.

I never said that sarcastically. I've said that repeatedly and seriously. According to the AG report, it's systemic. Systemic doesn't mean isolated. Surely you know that.

And if the entire department isn't bad, then you need to expose the ones that are. I've asked you a few times why they can't release those names. You haven't answered.

You need to stop the paranoid posts, monte. And stop being defensive of the AG's office. They created an environment of hostility here. You don't see it yourself, and that's fine. But I do, and most of the rest of the country sees it too. They can't just dump this report out there and wash their hands of the matter. You know that as well as I do.
 
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I never said that sarcastically. I've said that repeatedly and seriously. According to the AG report, it's systemic. Systemic doesn't mean isolated. Surely you know that.

And if the entire department isn't bad, then you need to expose the ones that are. I've asked you a few times why they can't release those names. You haven't answered.

You need to stop the paranoid posts, monte. And stop being defensive of the AG's office. They created an environment of hostility here. You don't see it yourself, and that's fine. But I do, and most of the rest of the country sees it too. They can't just dump this report out there and wash their hands of the matter. You know that as well as I do.

As soon as the JD shined its light on the vermin in the FPD, they fled like roaches. Any remaining need to be fired. Then the city council, the city manager and the mayor need to be about reshaping their police department, and then monitor it for corruption. That's not paranoid, that's pragmatic.
 
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Nothing will be fixed until we end this pathetic partisanship that prevents us from examining the actual dynamics of problems we face. The sickening level of finger pointing is just evidence of how far we've fallen. People want to use the deaths as cheap political points instead of looking at the system of government force we employ against the People and determining if there are some systematic problems that need to be addressed. Sickening.

There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.
 
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As soon as the JD shined its light on the vermin in the FPD, they fled like roaches. Any remaining need to be fired. Then the city council, the city manager and the mayor need to be about reshaping their police department, and then monitor it for corruption. That's not paranoid, that's pragmatic.

I didn't say that was paranoid. I said you assuming my sarcasm is paranoid.

So you're saying the Police Chief was corrupt. Hmm...he'd disagree with you. And since the AG report doesn't specifically name him (or anyone else for that matter, including the officers who sent the emails), who knows? Unless Holder makes public who the bad people actually are, how do you know that the bad people are the ones who resigned? For all you/we know, the good ones said "I'm out of here" and the corrupt ones remain.

I'm a little curious but maybe you aren't. That's okay.
 
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I didn't say that was paranoid. I said you assuming my sarcasm is paranoid.

So you're saying the Police Chief was corrupt. Hmm...he'd disagree with you. And since the AG report doesn't specifically name him (or anyone else for that matter, including the officers who sent the emails), who knows? Unless Holder makes public who the bad people actually are, how do you know that the bad people are the ones who resigned? For all you/we know, the good ones said "I'm out of here" and the corrupt ones remain.

I'm a little curious but maybe you aren't. That's okay.

Lol. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. At any rate, there's not much you can do for Ferguson from your great distance. But the city can and hopefully will purge out racism and corruption in their police department, implementing the JD's recommendations and in so doing become a clean organization that is respected by the people they're charged to serve, and perhaps stand as a model for other departments, like maybe Pine Lawn.
 
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Lol. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. At any rate, there's not much you can do for Ferguson from your great distance. But the city can and hopefully will purge out racism and corruption in their police department, implementing the JD's recommendations and in so doing become a clean organization that is respected by the people they're charged to serve, and perhaps stand as a model for other departments, like maybe Pine Lawn.

I'm not looking to do anything for Ferguson. I'm having the same discussion on here that you are. And commenting on the AG's report, considering he works for us and we have a right to debate and critique his work.

No idea what Pine Lawn is.

If the vermin are gone, I guess the citizens of Ferguson will find out soon enough. And if they are, then we don't have to hear about Ferguson anymore.
 
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There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.

But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ.

And isn't it interesting that the one place that you could count on for being politicized for the last 6 years was, in fact, the DOJ.
 
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There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.

This is part of the problem. The constant focus on instances of racism breed resentment on once side and tin foil hat nuttiness on the other.
 
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I'm not looking to do anything for Ferguson. I'm having the same discussion on here that you are. And commenting on the AG's report, considering he works for us and we have a right to debate and critique his work.

No idea what Pine Lawn is.

If the vermin are gone, I guess the citizens of Ferguson will find out soon enough. And if they are, then we don't have to hear about Ferguson anymore.

The JD's report has recommendations that can't possibly have been all implemented yet. But once they have, there'll be a shiny new FPD ready to get to work and serve the interests of the law, the constitution, the citizens of Ferguson and be a model for emulation. Then perhaps we'll be hearing good things about Ferguson.
 
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This is part of the problem. The constant focus on instances of racism breed resentment on once side and tin foil hat nuttiness on the other.

I can understand the shrug of racism by someone who likely hasn't ever fell prey to it.
 
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I can understand the shrug of racism by someone who likely hasn't ever fell prey to it.

I'm not shrugging anything off. I'm simply noting that not everything that happens is a racial issue and not every racial issue is due to racism.

Let's say that you've got a Swedish neighborhood where 80% of the residents are blond haired, blue eyed and pasty white. This neighborhood has a serious crime problem where pedestrians are constantly pelted by tiny meatballs drenched in gravy. You're the desk sergeant and the phone rings for the 90th time that week with another complaint about about a meatball assault. You mutter under your breath "Damned Swedes!" as you dispatch a patrol. That doesn't mean that you dislike Swedish people. All it means is that you're fed up with the problem of assault in the neighborhood which tends to be perpetrated by Swedes. Later that day, in the course of venting your frustration, you send your buddy an email showing a chubby blond guy with a big mustache and a chef hat flattened under a giant gravy coated meatball. You're still not a racist and you still don't hate Swedes. You're just venting frustration. This is pretty typical human behavior and every culture does it to some extent or another.
 
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I'm not shrugging anything off. I'm simply noting that not everything that happens is a racial issue and not every racial issue is due to racism.

Let's say that you've got a Swedish neighborhood where 80% of the residents are blond haired, blue eyed and pasty white. This neighborhood has a serious crime problem where pedestrians are constantly pelted by tiny meatballs drenched in gravy. You're the desk sergeant and the phone rings for the 90th time that week with another complaint about about a meatball assault. You mutter under your breath "Damned Swedes!" as you dispatch a patrol. That doesn't mean that you dislike Swedish people. All it means is that you're fed up with the problem of assault in the neighborhood which tends to be perpetrated by Swedes. Later that day, in the course of venting your frustration, you send your buddy an email showing a chubby blond guy with a big mustache and a chef hat flattened under a giant gravy coated meatball. You're still not a racist and you still don't hate Swedes. You're just venting frustration. This is pretty typical human behavior and every culture does it to some extent or another.

OMG. I just wrecked my keyboard spitting water all over it. Tiny meatballs drenched in gravy?
 
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I'm not shrugging anything off. I'm simply noting that not everything that happens is a racial issue and not every racial issue is due to racism.

Let's say that you've got a Swedish neighborhood where 80% of the residents are blond haired, blue eyed and pasty white. This neighborhood has a serious crime problem where pedestrians are constantly pelted by tiny meatballs drenched in gravy. You're the desk sergeant and the phone rings for the 90th time that week with another complaint about about a meatball assault. You mutter under your breath "Damned Swedes!" as you dispatch a patrol. That doesn't mean that you dislike Swedish people. All it means is that you're fed up with the problem of assault in the neighborhood which tends to be perpetrated by Swedes. Later that day, in the course of venting your frustration, you send your buddy an email showing a chubby blond guy with a big mustache and a chef hat flattened under a giant gravy coated meatball. You're still not a racist and you still don't hate Swedes. You're just venting frustration. This is pretty typical human behavior and every culture does it to some extent or another.

racism!
 
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I'm not shrugging anything off. I'm simply noting that not everything that happens is a racial issue and not every racial issue is due to racism.

Let's say that you've got a Swedish neighborhood where 80% of the residents are blond haired, blue eyed and pasty white. This neighborhood has a serious crime problem where pedestrians are constantly pelted by tiny meatballs drenched in gravy. You're the desk sergeant and the phone rings for the 90th time that week with another complaint about about a meatball assault. You mutter under your breath "Damned Swedes!" as you dispatch a patrol. That doesn't mean that you dislike Swedish people. All it means is that you're fed up with the problem of assault in the neighborhood which tends to be perpetrated by Swedes. Later that day, in the course of venting your frustration, you send your buddy an email showing a chubby blond guy with a big mustache and a chef hat flattened under a giant gravy coated meatball. You're still not a racist and you still don't hate Swedes. You're just venting frustration. This is pretty typical human behavior and every culture does it to some extent or another.

To the bolded. True, but in the context of Ferguson, and the JD's report that confirms racist driven corruption and abuse, it's not race baiting to point it out and it's not acceptable to shrug it off. Let the city council, city manager and mayor see to it that the reports recommendations are followed, and we should hear no more about it.
 
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OMG. I just wrecked my keyboard spitting water all over it. Tiny meatballs drenched in gravy?
It's dinner time. :lol: but Luther's post made a great point.
 
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The JD's report has recommendations that can't possibly have been all implemented yet. But once they have, there'll be a shiny new FPD ready to get to work and serve the interests of the law, the constitution, the citizens of Ferguson and be a model for emulation. Then perhaps we'll be hearing good things about Ferguson.

Maybe. Time will tell. I'm anxious to hear what the citizens are supposed to be doing to better the community themselves. I don't believe all of the problems in that city were the result of the white police force and the mayor/city council people.
 
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It's dinner time. :lol: but Luther's post made a great point.

It did make a great point, and there's nothing better than a great point that also very clever analogies in it!
 
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Maybe. Time will tell. I'm anxious to hear what the citizens are supposed to be doing to better the community themselves. I don't believe all of the problems in that city were the result of the white police force and the mayor/city council people.

Maybe you have your own recommendations.
 
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I'm not shrugging anything off. I'm simply noting that not everything that happens is a racial issue and not every racial issue is due to racism.

Let's say that you've got a Swedish neighborhood where 80% of the residents are blond haired, blue eyed and pasty white. This neighborhood has a serious crime problem where pedestrians are constantly pelted by tiny meatballs drenched in gravy. You're the desk sergeant and the phone rings for the 90th time that week with another complaint about about a meatball assault. You mutter under your breath "Damned Swedes!" as you dispatch a patrol. That doesn't mean that you dislike Swedish people. All it means is that you're fed up with the problem of assault in the neighborhood which tends to be perpetrated by Swedes. Later that day, in the course of venting your frustration, you send your buddy an email showing a chubby blond guy with a big mustache and a chef hat flattened under a giant gravy coated meatball. You're still not a racist and you still don't hate Swedes. You're just venting frustration. This is pretty typical human behavior and every culture does it to some extent or another.

The meatball story is a not so clever disguise at your attempt to diminish the seriousness of the Justice Departments report.
 
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there are far more "deranged" government people you should be worried about.

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bbut bbut that's different, right?

The Government points guns at us far far more than we point guns at them,

It is different, very different....

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"....The Boston Marathon bombings and subsequent related shootings were a series of attacks and incidents which began on April 15, 2013, when two pressure cooker bombs exploded during the Boston Marathon at 2:49 pm EDT, killing 3 people and injuring an estimated 264 others.[4] The bombs exploded about 12 seconds and 210 yards (190 m) apart, near the finish line on Boylston Street.[2][9]...."
Boston Marathon bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My guess is that if it where left up to people like you, the Boston marathon suspects would have gone free, because some assholes would have cried about how the government was being too forceful there.
 
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It is different, very different....

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"....The Boston Marathon bombings and subsequent related shootings were a series of attacks and incidents which began on April 15, 2013, when two pressure cooker bombs exploded during the Boston Marathon at 2:49 pm EDT, killing 3 people and injuring an estimated 264 others.[4] The bombs exploded about 12 seconds and 210 yards (190 m) apart, near the finish line on Boylston Street.[2][9]...."
Boston Marathon bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My guess is that if it where left up to people like you, the Boston marathon suspects would have gone free, because some assholes would have cried about how the government was being too forceful there.




oh, so it's ok for police to randomly sweep civilians because some terrorist, is on the loose. When it comes to terrorism, rights are secondarty and "by all means needed" the police state can act. , but it's the worst thing in the world if some jackass on a bridge sets up with his ar and a scope.



**** that statist noise.
 
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Let's have some Swedish meatballs!


If they are made in Canada are they still Swedish?

I mean that's kind of profiling isn't it?

How about Swedish-Canadian-American meatballs?

Ah **** it, gimme the hamburger....
 
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