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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

Montecresto said:
It's unbelievable that you think that the JD's report has only seven racist e-mails in it. If you'd only read it, then you'd see the documented pattern of constitutional violations to the citizens of Ferguson, as well as documentation of the departments pattern of breaking the law, with the help of a compliant court, as well as officer ethics and conduct failures.
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So as not to make me go through 105 pages again, please post some of the other emails included in the report from after 2011.

Are there any emails that Darren Wilson sent in there? I didn't see any. Or that the Chief sent. But unlike the brilliant savvy posters, my head was spinning as I was reading that report. It was written in Legalize. Can you kindly translate into plain language for those of us who aren't lawyers?
 
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Montecresto said:
Such hyperbole. It's the racist elements and practices of the police force that need to go. Not the whole police force. Why would you be against purging the racist elements from the police force that have been harming Americans?
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Ah, so it's the racist officers. How come I didn't see their names in Holder's report?
 
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vesper said:
I'm sure could find abuse by officers regardless of their color/race in every major city across the U.S.. No one is stating it never happens.
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It's actually hilarious how much work you're doing to deny the obvious - the police department is/was corrupt and racist.

It's not that there was a few bad apples in that department. They beat an innocent man doing nothing wrong, charged HIM with the just breathtaking crime of BLEEDING ON THE JACK BOOTED THUGS WHO BEAT HIM, and when he later sued they lied in the deposition, and then after the suit was filed, charged the victim of abuse with assault of a police officer. And of course they deleted the surveillance tape. So their response to wrongdoing was to commit more wrongdoing to cover up the previous wrongdoing - double down on the corruption. I'm sorry, but by any rational measure that's the sign of a department that's corrupt (at least if not also obviously racist) from top to bottom.

And you don't think this attitude and corruption was well known to the population before Brown was shot? It's funny in a very sick way that anyone can believe that.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I read it. All 105 pages. And commented.

No, you're right - we don't know how many emails there are. Or who sent them. Or what has happened in that force in the 3 years between that last email example and when Michael Brown was shot. But you know there are numerous other, current examples from current members of that force.....how exactly?

Not everyone else is a racist because we don't jump on bandwagons. This isn't a racist issue, it's a bad cop/bad court issue. Or is it?
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I know because I read the report. And the seven e-mails contained in the report are stated to be a sampling, so there are more. And the report says that the constitutional rights of black citizens were systemically violated. There wasn't one offs here, but a pattern of abuse. THATS RACIST!!
 
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How does one get this:

tres borrachos said:
Ah, so it's the racist officers. How come I didn't see their names in Holder's report?
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From this:

Montecresto said:
Such hyperbole. It's the racist elements and practices of the police force that need to go. Not the whole police force. Why would you be against purging the racist elements from the police force that have been harming Americans?
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racist elements = racist officers? :confused:
 
Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

tres borrachos said:
Ah, so it's the racist officers. How come I didn't see their names in Holder's report?
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It appears you didn't see a lot of things in the JD's report. But their names you're not going to see in a public report.
 
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DA60 said:
Imo, you have to be REALLY dedicated, really corrupt or really stupid to want to be a cop in Ferguson right now.
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I think your timeline is off - corrupt (or willing to tolerate corruption) and stupid were job requirements before the Brown shooting.
 
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Montecresto said:
I know because I read the report. And the seven e-mails contained in the report are stated to be a sampling, so there are more. And the report says that the constitutional rights of black citizens were systemically violated. There wasn't one offs here, but a pattern of abuse. THATS RACIST!!
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And I also read the report.

Please direct me to the page where it shows other more recent emails. And why is Holder letting them clean up themselves if they are racist, corrupt officers of the law? I know what the report says, and I know they were wrong a lot. We're past that. What is Holder going to do about it is my question? Who are the racist, corrupt ones in that force?
 
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JasperL said:
I think your timeline is off - corrupt (or willing to tolerate corruption) and stupid were job requirements before the Brown shooting.
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So you're saying the entire force is corrupt. Monte says only some of them are. Which one of you is right? The DOJ report doesn't say if this was one officer, 5 officers, or the entire force, which is what you seem to believe.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Ah, so it's the racist officers. How come I didn't see their names in Holder's report?
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These two cops were not even on the Ferguson force. That none of those cheering this shooting even care about that fact shows how much irrational hate there is out there.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So as not to make me go through 105 pages again, please post some of the other emails included in the report from after 2011.

Are there any emails that Darren Wilson sent in there? I didn't see any. Or that the Chief sent. But unlike the brilliant savvy posters, my head was spinning as I was reading that report. It was written in Legalize. Can you kindly translate into plain language for those of us who aren't lawyers?
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I never said that there were more e-mails in the report. I was mocking your post that minimizes the volume of documentation of constitutional violations, law violations and officer ethics and conduct failures. Every damn post of yours minimizes the pattern of lawlessness in the FPD and it's sidekick court. When you should have the decency to demand that the department be cleaned up.
 
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calamity said:
These two cops were not even on the Ferguson force. That none of those cheering this shooting even care about that fact shows how much irrational hate there is out there.
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Lol. Which poster is "cheering" this shooting?
 
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calamity said:
These two cops were not even on the Ferguson force. That none of those cheering this shooting even care about that fact shows how much irrational hate there is out there.
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What two cops are you talking about?
 
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calamity said:
These two cops were not even on the Ferguson force. That none of those cheering this shooting even care about that fact shows how much irrational hate there is out there.
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Who is cheering? Name some names here.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So as not to make me go through 105 pages again, please post some of the other emails included in the report from after 2011.

Are there any emails that Darren Wilson sent in there? I didn't see any. Or that the Chief sent. But unlike the brilliant savvy posters, my head was spinning as I was reading that report. It was written in Legalize. Can you kindly translate into plain language for those of us who aren't lawyers?
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You're using the emails as a diversion. It's like someone beat to a pulp, and showing up at the ER with broken bones, a concussion, cuts and scrapes on his arms and legs, 78 stitches, and a bloody nose. And using your logic above, what you'd focus on is the bloody nose - hey, that's not so bad? Why all the uproar over some guy getting a bloody nose?????

And you don't need a law school education to understand the report. If you can't grasp the many documented examples of corruption, you're trying hard not to.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

In reading about the injuries to the policemen, I was shocked that both men suffered from head wounds! Those shots were not meant to main, but to kill! Thankfully they survived, but WTH makes it justifiable to kill someone only because they are a policeman, and to do it from ambush? Sick.....
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Nothing makes it justifiable. Has somebody suggested so? :2wave: hey Polgara.
 
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Montecresto said:
I never said that there were more e-mails in the report. I was mocking your post that minimizes the volume of documentation of constitutional violations, law violations and officer ethics and conduct failures. Every damn post of yours minimizes the pattern of lawlessness in the FPD and it's sidekick court. When you should have the decency to demand that the department be cleaned up.
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So you just assume there are more emails, but you haven't seen them.

Who sent those emails, and are those officers still with the force?
 
Roadvirus said:
Been there, done that.

Despite the obvious racial issues the FPD has to overcome, it still doesn't justify the continued dust-kicking TwiddleDee and TwiddleDum (Obama and Holder...you decide which is which) have done since Brown was shot.
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Hey, if you're in agreement that the FPD has to overcome racism, that's enough for me.
 
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Grant said:
Says the guy who's favorite target is Jews.
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Yes of course, because criticizing Israeli FP is anti-Semitic, as everyone knows.
 
Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

tres borrachos said:
So you're saying the entire force is corrupt. Monte says only some of them are. Which one of you is right? The DOJ report doesn't say if this was one officer, 5 officers, or the entire force, which is what you seem to believe.
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You quoted me, then deliberately failed to grasp the point. I'll try again - if you try hard you'll figure out your error.

From what you quoted: "corrupt (or willing to tolerate corruption)"

I've added some helpful reading comprehension hints.
 
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JasperL said:
You're using the emails as a diversion. It's like someone beat to a pulp, and showing up at the ER with broken bones, a concussion, cuts and scrapes on his arms and legs, 78 stitches, and a bloody nose. And using your logic above, what you'd focus on is the bloody nose - hey, that's not so bad? Why all the uproar over some guy getting a bloody nose?????

And you don't need a law school education to understand the report. If you can't grasp the many documented examples of corruption, you're trying hard not to.
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I was just about to say, why the focus on the emails.


Please if there was some kind of systematic abuse found at a local humane society shelter where dogs and cats were mistreated unfairly and had some animal rights abused, who would be one of the first posters on here to denounce that place? Lucky guess....
 
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joko104 said:
The huge condemnations and justifications for violence by Holder went well beyond an "investigation." It was horrific racebaiting attacks against Ferguson police officers.
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When did Holder justify violence?
 
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j-mac said:
Watching some of the protesters being interviewed on Hannity this evening I just had to shake my head at the utter stupidity being uttered.
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Of course Hannity utters stupidity.
 
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JasperL said:
You quoted me, then deliberately failed to grasp the point. I'll try again - if you try hard you'll figure out your error.

From what you quoted: "corrupt (or willing to tolerate corruption)"

I've added some helpful reading comprehension hints.
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So if you're willing to tolerate corruption, you aren't corrupt....is that right?
 
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