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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

iliveonramen said:
Racial tensions were inflamed by the actions of both the police and the city....the protests and sadly this are the result of that tension
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Racial tensions were also inflamed by the media repeating "black victim", not talking much about the strong arm robbery, and the justice department and others calling this a racist attack with 0 evidence of it being so.
 
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Montecresto said:
Ok. If you don't trust the governments report, I have nothing further to say to you.
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you have inspired me to compile all the data to prove what a political hack job Holder truly is. From his days working with the Clinton administration on pardons like Rich to his activism using the EPA, black churches, the Black Panther party, to praising Al Sharpton for all his good work to inflame racism, to using any tool in his possession to promote any political agenda of this administration to thwart prosecution for the wrong doing of others that this administration he has engaged. Whether it be the IRS or his own woes involving Fast and Furious. His activism against voter ID's when no one can enter a federal building without one. So on that note, I say thank you for the inspiration. It may take me awhile to comprise all the data but it would be my small way of exposing this jackass.
 
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I think what Sharpton, Holder and Obama did to this town is just despicable. This thug tries to kill a cop, they all line up against the cop. Obama even sent a delegation to the criminal piece of garbage's funeral. The cop, who did his job and did it well, ends up having to leave the force because of these morons. Unless I missed it, the cop has received no support, no apology, no nothin' from those three stooges.

Riots broke out, innocent people's lives were destroyed, and now two cops have been shop. All because these pukes decided they could make political hay off the racial tensions that they helped fan.
 
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vesper said:
you have inspired me to compile all the data to prove what a political hack job Holder truly is. From his days working with the Clinton administration on pardons like Rich to his activism using the EPA, black churches, the Black Panther party, to praising Al Sharpton for all his good work to inflame racism, to using any tool in his possession to promote any political agenda of this administration to thwart prosecution for the wrong doing of others that this administration he has engaged. Whether it be the IRS or his own woes involving Fast and Furious. His activism against voter ID's when no one can enter a federal building without one. So on that note, I say thank you for the inspiration. It may take me awhile to comprise all the data but it would be my small way of exposing this jackass.
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I'll look forward to reading your compilation, and thank you in advance for the effort.
 
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vesper said:
you have inspired me to compile all the data to prove what a political hack job Holder truly is. From his days working with the Clinton administration on pardons like Rich to his activism using the EPA, black churches, the Black Panther party, to praising Al Sharpton for all his good work to inflame racism, to using any tool in his possession to promote any political agenda of this administration to thwart prosecution for the wrong doing of others that this administration has engaged. Whether it be the IRS or his own woes involved in Fast and Furious. His activism against voter ID's when no one can enter a federal building without one. So on that note, I say thank you for the inspiration. It may take me awhile to comprise all the data but it would be my small way of exposing this jackass.
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Ok. So your accusing Holder of fabricating accounts of constitutional violations, violations of the law and violations of the officers obliged code of conduct. Presumably you accuse him of fabricating the racist e-mails as well as creating witness testimony. Again, I have nothing to say to you.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Racial tensions were also inflamed by the media repeating "black victim", not talking much about the strong arm robbery, and the justice department and others calling this a racist attack with 0 evidence of it being so.
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There's been multiple cases of black men being killed in various cities that were really unarmed and not threatening a police officer...since the Michael Brown shooting. Why do you think Ferguson has erupted like it has? The Michael Brown incident is an example of a flame setting of a tinderbox.

During the Boston Massacre protesters threw rocks and British soldiers felt as if life was threatened so they opened fire, yet it pretty much galvanized the colonies because of perceived injustices for other reasons and served as a rallying cry.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I'd have to agree with FnL on this one.

I have no issue with finding fact and bringing things to light which are needed to improve the situation. This'd be Holder's DOJ's report.

I have every issue with the race baiting, inciting to riot, race hustling, and the violence caused by it. In Holder's statements and actions, there's reason to justify that rather than tamping down the race baiting, inciting to riot, race hustling with statements the support of the Ferguson PD when arresting / detaining rioters (which is different than protesters BTW), he goes off and makes statements about how he see himself as an 'Activist Attorney General', clearly inappropriate given the charter of the DOJ and the blind lady of justice and all that (it's supposed to be the law, not 'activism', eh?)

So, yeah, I think Holder's a lousy Attorney General and has done a lousy job, considering he wouldn't peruse voter intimidation in Philadelphia (benefiting Obama), but is all over every single race related case, and probably advised Obama as to how to get around the immigration laws, with this abuse of prosecutorial discretion.
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Frankly, reading this you see it transcends the politics. It is not even so much a ace issue as it is corruption.

If anyone should ask which came first, the crime in that area that needed tough policing, or the over-the-top policing causing the push back, I would say yes. And at this point, it is time to let go of legitimate beefs on Holder, and focus on the fact Americans are dying and suffering needlessly at the hands of other Americans. That's just wrong and it has to stop.
 
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Montecresto said:
Ok. So your accusing Holder of fabricating accounts of constitutional violations, violations of the law and violations of the officers obliged code of conduct. Presumably you accuse him of fabricating the racist e-mails as well as creating witness testimony. Again, I have nothing to say to you.
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The reason we are where we are at today, is directly related to the DOJ and every attorney hired by the DOJ under the civil rights division is a leftist or activist. News organizations had to sue the DOJ through FOIA to get that information. And we all know they are currently serving under Perez who in itself is alarming as he has done a bang up job of politicizing the civil rights division. But I'll add that to my compilation.

Thomas Perez Should Be Blocked | The American Spectator
 
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Yeah, lets all pretend we are shocked that government employees have become the targets of some deranged gun owners.

Who could have imagined such a thing, Right ?
 
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JasperL said:
LOL, another person who hasn't read any of the report. :roll:

FWIW, one big problem was those emails were sent by supervisors, the bosses, and the environment was such that supervisors felt comfortable sending, and others forwarding, those emails without any fear of negative repercussions, and none occurred. Not even the most benign - "Hey Bob, let's keep the work email clean OK."
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again...7 emails in 7 days (that is what was cited). Are those people still there? And is that 'systemic racism'?
 
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vesper said:
The reason we are where we are at today, is directly related to the DOJ and every attorney hired by the DOJ under the civil rights division is a leftist or activist. News organizations had to sue the DOJ through FOIA to get that information. And we all know they are currently serving under Perez who in itself is alarming as he has done a bang up job of politicizing the civil rights division. But I'll add that to my compilation.

Thomas Perez Should Be Blocked | The American Spectator
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Are you aware of how many times the Bush administration was sued under FOIA? If you think that the JD's report is corrupt. There's nothing to discuss.
 
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Anthony60 said:
I think what Sharpton, Holder and Obama did to this town is just despicable. This thug tries to kill a cop, they all line up against the cop. Obama even sent a delegation to the criminal piece of garbage's funeral. The cop, who did his job and did it well, ends up having to leave the force because of these morons. Unless I missed it, the cop has received no support, no apology, no nothin' from those three stooges.

Riots broke out, innocent people's lives were destroyed, and now two cops have been shop. All because these pukes decided they could make political hay off the racial tensions that they helped fan.
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I'll just quote liveonramen: "There's been multiple cases of black men being killed in various cities that were really unarmed and not threatening a police officer...since the Michael Brown shooting. Why do you think Ferguson has erupted like it has? The Michael Brown incident is an example of a flame setting of a tinderbox."

Seriously, if you can't recognize that what happened after the Brown shooting was only the spark, then you've entirely missed the real point of all the protests. It's not as if the protesters didn't say early on WHY the reaction was so explosive. I heard and read a number of interviews with those in the community and the story was always the same - the shooting was merely the last straw. To be fair, the national media is lazy and doesn't do nuance very well because it's all got to fit into a sound bite of 90 seconds or so, and so they focused almost entirely on the shooting, but the people doing actual reporting from that area had the story right long ago, and nothing in the report should be a surprise to any of them.
 
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VanceMack said:
again...7 emails in 7 days (that is what was cited). Are those people still there? And is that 'systemic racism'?
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Again....you clearly didn't read the report. A lot more than that was cited, much of it clearly FAR worse than the bosses setting a nice tone from the top by sending around racist emails for giggles.

If you're actually interested, take a few minutes and at least skim it. Then a lot of this discussion will begin to make sense if you have anything like an open mind and any concern at all about police misconduct.
 
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Montecresto said:
Are you aware of how many times the Bush administration was sued under FOIA?
If you think that the JD's report is corrupt. There's nothing to discuss.
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It's just more of the GOP technique of shooting the messenger wen backed into a corner.
It's hard for them to defend a city that collects an average of $600 per person per year from police/county fines to pay for their departments.

Notice that technique today as McCain says the Senate was too hasty with the Cotton letter so as to get out of town before a snowstorm.
What they did was take the eyes off of what they thought was the Hillary prize--her emails .
 
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Montecresto said:
Are you aware of how many times the Bush administration was sued under FOIA? If you think that the JD's report is corrupt. There's nothing to discuss.
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That's nice, but you are aware that Holder is the only sitting member of the President's cabinet in all our history to be held in CRIMINAL contempt by congress. The news that he and his department are corrupt broke long enough ago that you have no excuse for defending them or buying their bull****.
 
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JasperL said:
Again....you clearly didn't read the report. A lot more than that was cited, much of it clearly FAR worse than the bosses setting a nice tone from the top by sending around racist emails for giggles.

If you're actually interested, take a few minutes and at least skim it. Then a lot of this discussion will begin to make sense if you have anything like an open mind and any concern at all about police misconduct.
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Seeing the word 'many' in a report does nothing to quantify a statement that racism is prevalent. Juts how many were sent? Who sent them? Are they still employed? No doubt...the 7 emails cited in seven years were racist and should have resulted in at least a reprimand...but you need more to go on than several, and many.
 
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JasperL said:
The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
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This a million times. The police report shouldn't be a partisan issue. The shooting is tragic, and everyone is obviously incredibly relieved that it didn't turn out to be fatal, but the driving force behind this is not the publishing of a report, or even the actions of one stupid man, it is a response to continued abuse of power by the state. No policeman should ever be shot, but no community should not be able to trust their police.

The 2nd amendment proposes the arming of the populace in order to prevent the state from abusing its power. Well, this situation is what the exercision of that right looks like in this day and age. Armed citizens rebelling against state abuse. Government tyranny is not a civil war between standing armies, military vs militia, it is the abjection of our citizens by representatives of the state. This is the very reason why many on the right have fought so hard to keep firearms, and it seems that many of them don't even recognize it.
 
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clownboy said:
That's nice, but you are aware that Holder is the only sitting member of the President's cabinet in all our history to be held in CRIMINAL contempt by congress. The news that he and his department are corrupt broke long enough ago that you have no excuse for defending them or buying their bull****.
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Do you realize that the justice department employs 125,000 people. Many of whom were there before Holder arrived, and who will be there after he departs. Do you have any idea how many people were actively involved in this investigation, and whether or not any of them had met Holder prior to this assignment. Are you suggesting the documented crimes in this report are fabrications. That the JD employees fabricated racist e-mails, that the documented violations of the first, fourth and fourteenth amendments are also fabrications. That the documented witness accounts were created by justice department employees. Is that where clownboy stands??
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Eric Holder believes all cops are racists, targets ‘unconscious bias’ | New York Post
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A con opinion piece in a con newspaper upping the ante on racism in your posts to me, as you originally accused Holder of saying my brothers were racists.

I'm not a republican
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You consistently post as a rightist GOP--common on DP.
I call you phony Libertarian RIPOs--Republicans In Posting Only

you do yourself a disservice when you suggest I am.
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You accused my brothers of being racist.
We are Sons of the American Legion and my Dad was 22 years in the Air Force--8 more years in Civil Service.
You did your own Air Force service a disservice by accusing us of being racists--extension to my Dad.

You would have to ask a republican.
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I did ask a GOP; I asked YOU--you were dishonest and denied who you were.
You have now entered the BIL Zone .
 
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VanceMack said:
Seeing the word 'many' in a report does nothing to quantify a statement that racism is prevalent. Juts how many were sent? Who sent them? Are they still employed? No doubt...the 7 emails cited in seven years were racist and should have resulted in at least a reprimand...but you need more to go on than several, and many.
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You're deliberately missing the point, both of the emails (which were sent by the BOSSES, which explains why there was no reprimand) and the larger picture painted by the report. The emails were actually just a symptom of the far bigger problems.

Here's an easy thought experiment - how would you feel if you've rushed to the scene of a traffic accident involving your wife or child who is injured and bleeding, the police asks you to step away, in your state you refuse to leave her, and you're handcuffed, arrested, charged/cited for FIVE infractions, and your car towed and impounded? I understand people can be irrational and even dangerous at that point, but a cop doing his job calms him down, maybe puts him in the back of the car, and after he's back to normal gives the guy a damn ride to the hospital.

And you're kidding yourself if the tone demonstrated by a department where the bosses are comfortable sending around racist jokes on work email doesn't contribute to outcomes like that above.
 
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clownboy said:
That's nice, but you are aware that Holder is the only sitting member of the President's cabinet in all our history to be held in CRIMINAL contempt by congress. The news that he and his department are corrupt broke long enough ago that you have no excuse for defending them or buying their bull****.
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I notice the members of President Pinnochio's rear guard are careful not to mention that Mr. Holder made it the policy of his Justice Department not to prosecute black defendants in voting rights cases. That is why nothing happened to the two New Black Panthers who flagrantly violated federal voting laws by standing outside that polling place in Philadelphia intimidating people entering there. Near the end of President Bush's term, a court had already entered a default judgment against them, after they had contemptuously failed even to respond when summoned. At that point, convicting them would have been not much more than a formality, and yet Lackey General Holder ordered the prosecution dropped. Apparently leftists only approve of some race discrimination.
 
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JasperL said:
Again....you clearly didn't read the report. A lot more than that was cited, much of it clearly FAR worse than the bosses setting a nice tone from the top by sending around racist emails for giggles.

If you're actually interested, take a few minutes and at least skim it. Then a lot of this discussion will begin to make sense if you have anything like an open mind and any concern at all about police misconduct.
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Ok...thats several minutes of my life I wont ever get back. If you read that report and DONT see it as a witch hunt, you are probably looking for witches too. Its LITTERED with anecdotal accounts and 'stories'

"As for the email...the actual report cites 'several' officials. 'Several' over a 7 year span. In email messages and during interviews, several court
and law enforcement personnel expressed discriminatory views and intolerance with regard to
race, religion, and national origin."

They go on to site seven examples...over a 7 year span. Sorry...that is inappropriate behavior...not not indicative of an epidemic. Are there problems? Yeah...I can easily see that there are problems. However many of the cited anecdotal accounts are over-dramatized or based on personal 'stories'. Much of the report is the damned if you dont, damned if you do variety. Ohmigawd...they laid hands on her? Why didnt they use tazers? Ohmigarsh...they used tazers...why didnt they physically manhandle her?

At the very least, its nice to see so many people grasping the severity of allegations regarding the Secretary of State refusing to use government email services.
 
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JasperL said:
You're deliberately missing the point, both of the emails (which were sent by the BOSSES, which explains why there was no reprimand) and the larger picture painted by the report. The emails were actually just a symptom of the far bigger problems.

Here's an easy thought experiment - how would you feel if you've rushed to the scene of a traffic accident involving your wife or child who is injured and bleeding, the police asks you to step away, in your state you refuse to leave her, and you're handcuffed, arrested, charged/cited for FIVE infractions, and your car towed and impounded? I understand people can be irrational and even dangerous at that point, but a cop doing his job calms him down, maybe puts him in the back of the car, and after he's back to normal gives the guy a damn ride to the hospital.

And you're kidding yourself if the tone demonstrated by a department where the bosses are comfortable sending around racist jokes on work email doesn't contribute to outcomes like that above.
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SOME...not all. And when you site 'several' over a seven year span, that doesnt impress me.

I read many of the accounts in the report. Some...as reported...were no doubt true. Others...as reported...had me asking...yes...and?
 
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American said:
He's a high govt official, who followed up a report exonerating Wilson (who btw had to leave his job and move out of town for no good reason except the race baiters who pronounced him guilty prior to the investigation), with comments that racism was pervasive throughout the Ferguson police department. He could have handled that much differently, but chose to make a public spectacle out of it for political reasons.
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So in the reality you inhabit, both things are not possible to be true?
 
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