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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

matchlight said:
I don't know what the "authoritarian scale" is, nor do I care. Do you have a comment about the shooting of these officers?
That is the topic of this thread--not my political philosophy, and not this report.
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I'll defer to the serious comments that condemn the shootings and pray for the lives of the officers from:
the Brown family, the Brown layer, President Clinton and especially AG Holder;
With a brother as a policeman, Holder repeats what his brother says: "police have a right to go home alive each night" .
 
Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

clownboy said:
How would you know, you don't seem to read your own posts. Do you recall posting that officers will encounter no problem as long as they treat everyone with respect? Do I really have to go back and requote the nonsense you believe just because you don't grasp what you're saying here?

And if you're now saying (read YOUR post quoted above) the shooting of the officers had nothing to do with the racism supposedly documented in the report - then why the hell do you keep bringing up the report in this thread about the shooting of two officers?
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I think you misunderstood me. I'm pointing out that the two officers that were shot were no part of the corruption and racism of the FPD. They're from another department.
 
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I think it's worthy to note that neither of the 2 officers shot were Ferguson police officers.... both belonged to other departments in other cities.... they just came over to help because the local PD is worn out from being besieged for months.

in any event. i'm not surprised this happened ....i'm surprised it took this long to happen.
 
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Montecresto said:
I didn't say he was guilty. I just said that the JD's report didn't exonerate him, nor did it find him innocent. It sought to do neither. And it was due to a lack of sufficient evidence.
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Innocent until proven guilty. He is innocent.
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, it's poor footage. I heard somebody say it was coming from the hill???? Whatever that means.
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the shots allegedly came from a hill about 125-150 yards away.... the cops saw the muzzle flashes.
 
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Montecresto said:
I think you misunderstood me. I'm pointing out that the two officers that were shot were no part of the corruption and racism of the FPD. They're from another department.
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And so, if that is the case, the report you keep depending upon has even less to do with the topic of the thread.
 
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vesper said:
The case has been made that Eric Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. That would be a good place to start.
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The case has been made, huh? So essentially, no, you have no evidence. Interesting. This is why partisan politics cocks everything up. People just resort to name calling and finger pointing, preventing any amount of meaningful discussion.
 
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Thrilla said:
the shots allegedly came from a hill about 125-150 yards away.... the cops saw the muzzle flashes.
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So now we have a full-on war between citizens and police in Ferguson.

This is what Holder, Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson instigate with their hateful lies and distorted reports.
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, it's poor footage. I heard somebody say it was coming from the hill???? Whatever that means.
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Quite a distance for a pistol....I would say. I was wondering how that works out with those that don't have much experience in shooting a pistol with range. As well as to those who do.

Which leaves me wondering, due to the shots fired and the timing.....if it didn't come from a rifle.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Conduct is one thing. Doing the job is another. Try doing the job then get back to me when YOU become educated.
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What is written out for public consumption and what is are two very different things.

From the Florida reference:

Rules

3.1 Police officers shall provide every person in our society with professional, effective and efficient law enforcement services.

3.2 Police officers shall not express, whether by act, omission or statement, prejudice concerning race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, status with regard to public assistance, disability, sexual orientation or age.

3.3 Police officers shall not allow their law enforcement decisions to be influenced by race, color, creed, religion, national origin, sex, marital status, status with regard to public assistance, disability, sexual orientation or age.
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I know three police forces in the US that fail that....
 
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stonewall50 said:
Innocent until proven guilty. He is innocent.
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Point being. The claim was made that the JD's report exonerated him. Which isn't so.
 
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clownboy said:
And so, if that is the case, the report you keep depending upon has even less to do with the topic of the thread.
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The report was cited as the cause of the shooting by posts #10, #11, #15, etc. In other words, it's been made a part of this discussion from the beginning.
 
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Erod said:
So now we have a full-on war between citizens and police in Ferguson.

This is what Holder, Obama, Sharpton, and Jackson instigate with their hateful lies and distorted reports.
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Is it that, or has this been a boiling, festering problem for some time and now we're seeing the beginnings of it erupting?
 
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MMC said:
Quite a distance for a pistol....I would say. I was wondering how that works out with those that don't have much experience in shooting a pistol with range. As well as to those who do.

Which leaves me wondering, due to the shots fired and the timing.....if it didn't come from a rifle.
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I have no idea whether it was a pistol, a rifle, a protester, a plant, to make it look like a protester, a Black Panther..................I just don't know.
 
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This distance concerns me as my wife and I will be in St. Louis next Wednesday through Sunday for the D1 NCAA Wrestling tournament.
Sold out, there are always dozens of ticket scalpers around the Scottrade Center that you have to walk through.
We usually walk to the Arch at least once down a beautiful boulevard between sessions.

Plus, it's the first weekend of March Madness in the NCAA Men's Basketball.
Sports bars/restaurants are packed to the gills in my hotel area.

In wrestling, at least one Congressman, Jim Jordan will be there--so there will be more security.
His son is seeded 3rd at 165 while his nephew is seeded 5th at the same weight.

Thrilla said:
the shots allegedly came from a hill about 125-150 yards away.... the cops saw the muzzle flashes.
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I know Missouri has more lax gun laws than Illinois but I don't own a gun.
I don't know the law about carrying cutting devices for hand-to-hand combat if I or my wife is assaulted.

Obviously, I'll get my share of this Ferguson mess next week if I so choose.
Though I like to take naps between sessions, two sessions a day.
 
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Ockham said:
The DoJ doesn't monitor every State and Local police department ever hour of the day. That's the point
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No, that's not "the point"; It's "the strawman"
 
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VanceMack said:
7 emails over a 7 year span in a city government with hundreds of people? THATS what you consider 'systemic' racism???

Really?

Maybe they should all have just used private emails.
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LOL, another person who hasn't read any of the report. :roll:

FWIW, one big problem was those emails were sent by supervisors, the bosses, and the environment was such that supervisors felt comfortable sending, and others forwarding, those emails without any fear of negative repercussions, and none occurred. Not even the most benign - "Hey Bob, let's keep the work email clean OK."
 
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Montecresto said:
I have no idea whether it was a pistol, a rifle, a protester, a plant, to make it look like a protester, a Black Panther..................I just don't know.
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Well Right now....not even the Ferguson Police nor the St Louis County Sheriffs knows. Although, I would think the Police would determined the ammo used. Hopefully there will be some news on it.
 
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Freudian slip I think--I meant President Obama .

NIMBY said:
I'll defer to the serious comments that condemn the shootings and pray for the lives of the officers from:
the Brown family, the Brown layer, President Clinton and especially AG Holder;
With a brother as a policeman, Holder repeats what his brother says: "police have a right to go home alive each night" .
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CycloneWanderer said:
I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.
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The report makes it clear that they didn't all come from the same individual and that there were many more

We have discovered evidence of racial bias in emails sent by Ferguson officials, all of
whom are current employees, almost without exception through their official City of Ferguson
email accounts, and apparently sent during work hours. These email exchanges involved several
police and court supervisors, including FPD supervisors and commanders. The following emails
are illustrative:
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It then lists those 7 as examples, and goes on to say

Our review of documents revealed many additional email communications that exhibited racial
or ethnic bias, as well as other forms of bias. Our investigation has not revealed any indication
that any officer or court clerk engaged in these communications was ever disciplined. Nor did
we see a single instance in which a police or court recipient of such an email asked that the
sender refrain from sending such emails, or any indication that these emails were reported as
inappropriate. Instead, the emails were usually forwarded along to others.49
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sawdust said:
I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are racial issues within the Ferguson police department but anecdotal evidence of racism is probably the worst indicator, especially when the investigation focuses on how the police department abuses minorities. The possibility exists that the police department abuses everyone and minority anecdotes are used in the report because the desired outcome of the report was that the department was racist. I have never been to Ferguson and I'm not making claims about them one way or another, I do believe that the Justice Department is racist under Holder and I wouldn't put anything past them.
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I get it

Anecdotes won't prove racism, nor will any quantitative info. It's obvious that there is nothing that would convince you that racism exists in Ferguon's PD

But you're certain that the DoJ is racist. In that case, I'm sure you'll accept anecdotes, statistics, and complete fabrications to support your belief
 
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sangha said:
No, that's not "the point";
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It's my point and it also happens to be the truth. Sorry. :shrug:
 
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matchlight said:
Some of us think that unless the employees of Ferguson are violating some law, their conduct on the job is no one's business but that town's.
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Their conduct does violate the law

It was documented in the report you don't care about
 
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