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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Given who you're speaking to, that says a bunch about who the real pos is. A couple racist cops got shot, why are you not in a more jovial mood?

That's pretty sick dude! Were the cops that got shot racist??
 
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If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.

No black person is required to trust any police officer in the least. Blacks are only required to obey the laws, just like people of other races.
 
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It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that silliness, it's not going to make any sense at some point. Clearly, you haven't read the JD's report either, otherwise you'd know that it doesn't conclude that racism in the FPD is the problem for all that ails Ferguson.

Right. The basic problem that I see is the core police function appears to be - hand out tickets, collect fines, to pay for the local government. And so the citizens are seen as sources of revenue, and the more tickets any officer can write, the better he's doing his job. It's a perfect way for the police to be seen as the enemy and not any kind of partner in maintaining peace and order. "Hey, citizen, so sorry your girlfriend got in a wreck and is injured and bleeding. But while we wait on the ambulance, why don't I pull you away from your loved one, arrest you write you up for FIVE infractions, and we'll impound and tow your car. Have a nice day sir!"
 
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Especially with the Professional Protestors.....easy to discover they don't live there, huh?

I don't live in Ferguson either, but I'm as concerned about police force racism in that town as I am in my own.
 
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Trivialize the racist e-mails all you want. You're also not factoring in how many people these filthy e-mails were sent to who had themselves a good laugh as well, and failed to report them. The racism problem in the FPD is bigger than the tip you see. Read the JD's report, instead of speaking from ignorance and appearing to be a racist yourself!

I don't give a damn if every cop on the force had a low opinion of blacks. That is not evidence that even one of those cops ever violated the civil rights on even one black person.
 
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I still don't get your point. There's simply no excuse for this act of violence, regardless of the uniform colors. It doesn't solve anything, and the two cops that were shot, most likely aren't even among the racist elements in the FPD.



The point was the shooter knew he wasn't shooting Ferguson Cops.
 
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No black person is required to trust any police officer in the least. Blacks are only required to obey the laws, just like people of other races.

Do you have a comment about the report, or is this just another drive-by on your part?

I've read the most accurate predictor of ideology is where someone falls on the authoritarian scale - higher up the scale, more likely to be a republican/conservative. Comments like that prove the point nicely.
 
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Bull****. You think the shooter(s) stopped to get to know the officers before shooting?

No I don't, why would you ask me such a thing? I think the shooter/s was/were on a hill some distance from the scene.
 
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I don't live in Ferguson either, but I'm as concerned about police force racism in that town as I am in my own.

You're concerned.....Professional Activists aren't.
 
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I don't give a damn if every cop on the force had a low opinion of blacks. That is not evidence that even one of those cops ever violated the civil rights on even one black person.

The report didn't detail attitudes, but acts. If you'd like to defend the acts outlined in the report that would be responsive to the issues being discussed. No one cares what their personal opinions were - it's how those opinions translated into deeds that is the subject of the DOJ report.
 
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Are thoughts now crimes in this country? If the entire Ferguson police department had been making jokes and cracks like those all the time, that would not show that any member of it ever broke any law in his treatment any black resident of Ferguson. Some officers there may feel many of those people are not worthy of their personal respect--and I would not blame them--but that does not mean those officers did not do their job properly.

The e-mails prove there are racists on the FPD. That's enough. You may think its cute, fun and games. Some people want racists fired, and exposed for what they are. And if you think that a racist can treat a person of another color with respect, I hope you're just a burger flipper somewhere and haven't an occupation that people are dependent upon you for your ability at critical thinking.
 
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No I don't, why would you ask me such a thing? I think the shooter/s was/were on a hill some distance from the scene.

You don't read what you post? Heck I even quoted your post in my response. Let's see if you recognize these words:

Sorry. If you're not a racist, and you treat everybody with respect when you engage them, regardless of their race, you have no worries.
 
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I don't give a damn if every cop on the force had a low opinion of blacks. That is not evidence that even one of those cops ever violated the civil rights on even one black person.

Read the ****ing JD's report and stop sounding ignorant!
 
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The point was the shooter knew he wasn't shooting Ferguson Cops.

How the **** do you know that. It was dark and they were shooting from a hill a distance from the scene. But besides that, there's nothing defensible about this shooting, regardless of the color of the uniforms these cops were wearing. Why are you making an issue of this?
 
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You're concerned.....Professional Activists aren't.

What do you mean, "professional activist". And have you interviewed all the protesters to find out just what their concerns are?
 
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Do you have a comment about the report, or is this just another drive-by on your part?

I've read the most accurate predictor of ideology is where someone falls on the authoritarian scale - higher up the scale, more likely to be a republican/conservative. Comments like that prove the point nicely.

I don't know what the "authoritarian scale" is, nor do I care. Do you have a comment about the shooting of these officers? That is the topic of this thread--not my political philosophy, and not this report.
 
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The e-mails prove there are racists on the FPD. That's enough. You may think its cute, fun and games. Some people want racists fired, and exposed for what they are. And if you think that a racist can treat a person of another color with respect, I hope you're just a burger flipper somewhere and haven't an occupation that people are dependent upon you for your ability at critical thinking.

You have met many people have you? Yes, racists of all colors have the capacity to treat others of any color with respect. With a little age and experience with people you'll discover that often folks are prejudice against a GROUP but still treat individuals they encounter in life with respect and friendship regardless.

And the emails only prove that some officers find racist jokes funny, not that they are racist in general.
 
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You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.

:applaud great post!
 
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Cops are required to follow a code of ethics not dependent upon what citizens think or do. Are you against that?

No, they are required to follow the law. And they are charged with going after those who don't. Period. End of job description.
 
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You don't read what you post? Heck I even quoted your post in my response. Let's see if you recognize these words:

We don't know who the shooters are. They weren't protesters in front of the police station. They were sniping from a hill beyond.
 
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Sorry. If you're not a racist, and you treat everybody with respect when you engage them, regardless of their race, you have no worries. There's no special campaign against white cops, and your mischaracterizing the JD's report! Did you read the e-mails that were sent by some cops? Is that the scum that you want on the police force?

It was not enough that the Department of Justice had exonerated former officer Darren Wilson. No...............the mob, told by President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder that Ferguson was still guilty of racism, wanted “justice.”

The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations, based on the faulty notion that a city that enforces traffic tickets vigorously as a means of raising revenue and the majority who live in Ferguson are black some how equates to great racist behavior.

Racist emails discovered from a few employees implicated those individuals alone not the whole damn department. But nooooooooooooo Obama and Holder wanted more. They, and serial race baiter Al Sharpton, wanted the humiliation of the town, wanted the division of America to grow, wanted it to be clear that white public officials could never represent a black population.

So here we are, a town burnt out by rage over a lie, and now cops being used for target practice. Those who instigated this are the biggest racists of all. It's 606 days till the next election. Building up race relations will not begin until this administration is gone.
 
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How the **** do you know that. It was dark and they were shooting from a hill a distance from the scene. But besides that, there's nothing defensible about this shooting, regardless of the color of the uniforms these cops were wearing. Why are you making an issue of this?

Protest was going on for how long? Because they were Protesting over the racial issues. Calling for Resignations. Moreover most of the Town knew St Louis County Sheriffs were called in and were standing guard outside the building. Along with other cops from other towns.
 
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The report didn't detail attitudes, but acts. If you'd like to defend the acts outlined in the report that would be responsive to the issues being discussed. No one cares what their personal opinions were - it's how those opinions translated into deeds that is the subject of the DOJ report.

I don't care about the report. If the Attorney General believes any of the city officials has violated federal laws, the Justice Department can prosecute them. This thread is about the shooting of two policemen, and nothing in the report could justify that crime.
 
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You have met many people have you? Yes, racists of all colors have the capacity to treat others of any color with respect. With a little age and experience with people you'll discover that often folks are prejudice against a GROUP but still treat individuals they encounter in life with respect and friendship regardless.

And the emails only prove that some officers find racist jokes funny, not that they are racist in general.

Continue to justify racism, and let us all see what you are.
 
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No, they are required to follow the law. And they are charged with going after those who don't. Period. End of job description.

Don't talk to me again until you have educated yourself!

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