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Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

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Yes, and so far I'm the only one who has expressed such "rage" against the actual shooter, crazy huh?

Didn't you just "like" a post concluding how what occurred here is the police's doing?
 
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Looks like Town Officials are resigning. Including those that weren't accused of racism.

Yet we have a cop shot in the face from another town and a County Sherriff......who wears a different colored Uniform than those of Ferguson. Protests going on at 2am in the morning.

Even people out using a barbecue.


How much do you think Sharpton and the Press should take the Blame.....with the racist Cops, and most especially.....Eric Holder.



I repeat.....

Everyone.

Sharpton is the pimple on the ass of this horror of a nightmare. Sharpton's are everywhere and have been with us since Biblical times, but HE is not the issue......just a pimple to be squeezed, the result of decades of corruption.

Everyone. Including the people of Ferguson, not the black people, not the white people, but all the people who let this go on.....

Read the original report.

The elected representatives today, in this, should resign. It has been the pile of **** in their living room for decades and they've been buying perfume to cover it up. There is no base from which to rebuild, no one trusts anyone and blacks certainly do not trust whites and whites also have reason to distrust blacks. What you have it tribal law.

Knowing the contents of that report, there is NO ONE in authority who can now say "gee, we had no idea...." it was in their lives not their faces. Anyone in a position of law enforcement, from Holder and, with this president, the Oval Office should have seen this when the riots broke out. It took all of six interviews to uncover a holy horror.

I do not ever blame "the press" as in news media. As I have always said, "the press" gives you what you want to watch, and the nation watched all summer probably the highest ratings. What people do with that information, is up to them.

Now the entertainment media, those so-called "journalists" who are really just TV personalities, have a lot to explain. We have indeed seen them dig in a make this a debate about right and left, black and white, just like this thread, reflecting the culture of America..

I suggest anyone not wanting to be included in the blame, needs to start thinking in terms of the human cost, and what to do to fix this societal nightmare instead of prolonging the debate.....

People are suffering, Americans......

What you do about that is your culture. I would be wanting heads and fixes...NOW
 
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from the report

First, let me say that I don't trust Holder's judgement. No doubt his report correctly tallied numbers of stops and incidents. No doubt that stops were weighted toward people of color. I do doubt that the report addressed socioeconomic factors pertaining to the stops. Ferguson, from news reports I have heard has a higher than average black population. Black communities are often underserved both educationally and economically leading to frustrations that often manifest themselves with higher than normal crime rates per capita. Black communities are often more segregated. Some of this is economic segregation and some is due to the fact that black neighborhoods grow because families familiar with their home neighborhoods and those neighborhoods being more comfortable because of their familiarity. What I question and what I doubt that any report Holder issued is the lack of blame which can be placed on the community for breading an atmosphere where more police presence is required to keep the peace. He was looking for fault with the police department and he found it using statistics which are born from a deeper problem in the community itself.

You can prove anything with statistics if you start with a conclusion and work backwards.
 
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Frankly, I think these death are Holder's fault. I know I'll get attacked by the race baiters, but his insistance on making sure racism was injected into his post report comments are directly related to their deaths in my views.

Yes, you will be attacked. I expect to be too. I don't care.

You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.

I would happen to agree. Activist Attorney General at his best.

Rather than the blind lady of Justice, we have an Attorney General that views himself as an activist for minorities, well, his DOJ did what it did, and it didn't make it any better, or ease any racial tensions, and it could be reasonably argued that it made them worse than what they needed to be.

And now people are bandying about unsubstantiated nasty names for observing the mere facts of the case. Must be a leftist position that.
 
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Didn't you just "like" a post concluding how what occurred here is the police's doing?

No, that post outlined the report and questioned Holders responsibility. It concluded that factors like behavior outlined in the report caused the problems and toxic atmosphere in the town, not Holder. Point out exactly where it said the actual shooting was the police's doing.
 
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I repeat.....

Everyone.

Sharpton is the pimple on the ass of this horror of a nightmare. Sharpton's are everywhere and have been with us since Biblical times, but HE is not the issue......just a pimple to be squeezed, the result of decades of corruption.

Everyone. Including the people of Ferguson, not the black people, not the white people, but all the people who let this go on.....

Read the original report.

The elected representatives today, in this, should resign. It has been the pile of **** in their living room for decades and they've been buying perfume to cover it up. There is no base from which to rebuild, no one trusts anyone and blacks certainly do not trust whites and whites also have reason to distrust blacks. What you have it tribal law.

Knowing the contents of that report, there is NO ONE in authority who can now say "gee, we had no idea...." it was in their lives not their faces. Anyone in a position of law enforcement, from Holder and, with this president, the Oval Office should have seen this when the riots broke out. It took all of six interviews to uncover a holy horror.

I do not ever blame "the press" as in news media. As I have always said, "the press" gives you what you want to watch, and the nation watched all summer probably the highest ratings. What people do with that information, is up to them.

Now the entertainment media, those so-called "journalists" who are really just TV personalities, have a lot to explain. We have indeed seen them dig in a make this a debate about right and left, black and white, just like this thread, reflecting the culture of America..

I suggest anyone not wanting to be included in the blame, needs to start thinking in terms of the human cost, and what to do to fix this societal nightmare instead of prolonging the debate.....

People are suffering, Americans......

What you do about that is your culture. I would be wanting heads and fixes...NOW


Well it does take Leadership doesn't it.....City Manger, Police Chief, a Judge, City Prosecutor, and Officers from the force. Shake up has been going on. BO has spoken out and Holder has. On the scene stops etc etc. Where was the Leadership again?

Yeah the entertainment media.....which that's who I exactly meant. Not real reporting. This is what was released By DOJ. Over this incident....do you see anything about the injured? Calming tensions down?




The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~
 
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What I question and what I doubt that any report Holder issued is the lack of blame which can be placed on the community for breading an atmosphere where more police presence is required to keep the peace.

The DoJ is not responsible for a communities "atmosphere". However, they do have a responsibility for monitoring police depts, particularly those with a history of racial discrimination.

But you keep on pretending that the report was nothing but a compilation of statistics if it helps you maintain plausible deniability about the racist practices of the Ferguson PD

Department of Justice report on the Ferguson, Mo. Police Department - The Washington Post
in the summer of 2012, a
32-year-old African-American man sat in his car cooling off after playing basketball in a
Ferguson public park. An officer pulled up behind the man’s car, blocking him in, and
demanded the man’s Social Security number and identification. Without any cause, the officer
accused the man of being a pedophile, referring to the presence of children in the park, and
ordered the man out of his car for a pat-down, although the officer had no reason to believe the
man was armed. The officer also asked to search the man’s car. The man objected, citing his
constitutional rights. In response, the officer arrested the man, reportedly at gunpoint, charging
him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code. One charge, Making a False
Declaration, was for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of
“Michael”), and an address which, although legitimate, was different from the one on his driver’s
license. Another charge was for not wearing a seat belt, even though he was seated in a parked
car. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with
having no operator’s license in his possession. The man told us that, because of these charges,
he lost his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had held for years.

we discovered
emails circulated by police supervisors and court staff that stereotype racial minorities as
criminals, including one email that joked about an abortion by an African-American woman
being a means of crime control.

For example, in July 2013 police encountered an African-American man in a parking lot
while on their way to arrest someone else at an apartment building. Police knew that the
encountered man was not the person they had come to arrest. Nonetheless, without even
reasonable suspicion, they handcuffed the man, placed him in the back of a patrol car, and ran his
record. It turned out he was the intended arrestee’s landlord. The landlord went on to help the
police enter the person’s unit to effect the arrest, but he later filed a complaint alleging racial
discrimination and unlawful detention. Ignoring the central fact that they had handcuffed a man
and put him in a police car despite having no reason to believe he had done anything wrong, a
sergeant vigorously defended FPD’s actions, characterizing the detention as “minimal” and
pointing out that the car was air conditioned. Even temporary detention, however, constitutes a
deprivation of liberty and must be justified under the Fourth Amendment. Whren v. United
States, 517 U.S. 806, 809-10 (1996).
 
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The DoJ is not responsible for a communities "atmosphere". However, they do have a responsibility for monitoring police depts, particularly those with a history of racial discrimination.
Can you provide where in the DoJ charter or responsibilities the DoJ has responsibility for monitoring State or Local police departments?
 
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So to wrongs make a right. How does 2 cops getting shot, make everything a corrupt police force did, right. Violence has a way of escalating. What if the shooter was a skin head. Last i heard they were killing cops also.

Its sad when cops get shot, most people don't like to see this. Black, White, Right & Left. But it does in no way, make the Ferguson Police right or just for what they did.

It takes 2 to fight & argue.
 
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Can you provide where in the DoJ charter or responsibilities the DoJ has responsibility for monitoring State or Local police departments?

USDOJ: Civil Rights Division: About the division
Purpose of the Federal Coordination and Compliance

The Department of Justice is a major provider of federal financial assistance. Under agreements reached with several Department of Justice funding components, Section investigators and attorneys conduct administrative investigations of selected complaints of discrimination by their recipients. Complaints are investigated, under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the nondiscrimination provision of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act. These recipients include state and local law enforcement agencies, courts, corrections systems, juvenile justice systems, and a variety of non-governmental entities.

The Section seeks case resolutions through the use of alternative dispute resolution techniques, if appropriate, in lieu of full field investigations. In other cases, investigations may result in the issuance of formal findings of compliance or non-compliance. If voluntary compliance cannot be achieved where non-compliance is found, the Section refers the case to the appropriate Division Section for litigation or, in cooperation with the appropriate funding component within the Department, seeks to terminate the federal financial assistance through an administrative hearing.
 
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Peace Love and Understanding

 
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Well it does take Leadership doesn't it.....City Manger, Police Chief, a Judge, City Prosecutor, and Officers from the force. Shake up has been going on. BO has spoken out and Holder has. On the scene stops etc etc. Where was the Leadership again?

Yeah the entertainment media.....which that's who I exactly meant. Not real reporting. This is what was released By DOJ. Over this incident....do you see anything about the injured? Calming tensions down?




The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~

Like I say, Everyone and it has to start at the top.

But look, race is only an issue because racism is what triggered the original riot....it was not about a big kid walking in the middle of the street, it was about years of pent up fury...it was evident then.....and what did everyone do...?

Brought in military hardware.

Now I ask you in return, who among this forum was with me when I said that was a mistake and would only heighten tensions? Not many, but here we are again, the report is out, and from Obama on down to the street cop it's get heavy and stomp them.

There no answers anywhere, there is no "leadership" or even a call for said, but two sides still arrayed against each other calling for reinforcements. In all the reading of posts on this, we see little call for anything but the same old "they started it" and the age old race arguments.

As the blame game has been going on for decades, it doesn't appear anyone wants peace, just to be right. The real sad point is if a Mohatma Gandhi were to surface I suspect he would be stoned to death by both sides.
 
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So to wrongs make a right. How does 2 cops getting shot, make everything a corrupt police force did, right. Violence has a way of escalating. What if the shooter was a skin head. Last i heard they were killing cops also.

Its sad when cops get shot, most people don't like to see this. Black, White, Right & Left. But it does in no way, make the Ferguson Police right or just for what they did.

It takes 2 to fight & argue.

It does, and you are right. At the end of the day, the unfortunate reality is that it take a lot of violence before the people whose apathy enable the broken status quo will be open to change. Until then, we will see the same pattern of behaviors, rationalizations, etc, over and over and over again from all sides.
 
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Update: Good news both Officers released from the Hospital. 36 mins ago.


(Reuters) - The two police officers who were shot in Ferguson, Missouri, during protests have been released from the hospital, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman told Reuters on Thursday.....snip~


Police shot in Ferguson, Missouri, released from hospital
 
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She doesn't agree with these being deaths, because factually they aren't. However, she agrees that this is Holder's fault... which somehow will not be blaming Holder for this. :lol: The acrobatics are real.
 
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" of selected complaints of discrimination by their recipients."

So factually, the DoJ doesn't monitor State or local police departments unless a.) there is a complaint filed and b.) the complaint is selected by the DoJ.

Wrong.

The DoJ does more than just respond to complaints

Civil Rights Requirements

All State Administering Agencies (SAAs) have a responsibility to monitor their subrecipients to ensure that the subrecipients are complying with the federal civil rights laws that are applicable to recipients of federal financial assistance. In accordance with 28 C.F.R. §§ 42.105(d)(2), 42.504(a), 42.725, and 54.115, SAAs must establish and implement written Methods of Administration for ensuring their subrecipients' compliance with the prohibition against race, color, and national origin discrimination contained in Title VI of the Civil Rights Act (Title VI) of 1964, as amended, 42 U.S.C. § 2000d, and the Department of Justice (DOJ) regulations at 28 C.F.R. pt. 42, subpt. C; the prohibition against disability discrimination contained in Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act (Section 504) of 1973, as amended, 29 U.S.C. § 794, and the DOJ regulations at 28 C.F.R. pt. 42, subpt. G; the prohibition against age discrimination contained in the Age Discrimination Act (Age Act) of 1975, as amended, 42 U.S.C. § 6102, and the DOJ regulations at 28 C.F.R. pt. 42, subpt. I; and the prohibition against sex discrimination in education programs contained in Title IX of the Education Amendments (Title IX) of 1972, as amended, 20 U.S.C. § 1681, and the DOJ regulations at 28 C.F.R. pt. 54. These Methods of Administration are the reasonable assurance that SAAs provide to the DOJ that they are ensuring the civil rights compliance of their subrecipients.
 
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There are still idiots running around Ferguson yelling " hands up dont shoot ", and most likely the idiot that shot these Police Officers is one of them.

All of this, the riots, the looting, the attacks on innocent people were spun off from a HUGE LIE perpetuated by the Media and " Civil Rights " leaders and a few low life Politicians.
 
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The protest are irrelevant to the shooting.

The shooter used the protest as a cover for anonymity. You have no clue as to the shooters deranged motive. You are just conjecturing.


And you aren't?
 
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Update: Good news both Officers released from the Hospital. 36 mins ago.


(Reuters) - The two police officers who were shot in Ferguson, Missouri, during protests have been released from the hospital, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman told Reuters on Thursday.....snip~


Police shot in Ferguson, Missouri, released from hospital



Let us pause in the debate and give thanks their families will still have them
 
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She doesn't agree with these being deaths, because factually they aren't. However, she agrees that this is Holder's fault... which somehow will not be blaming Holder for this. :lol: The acrobatics are real.

And predictable

At some point, she will accuse someone of getting emotional (or obssessing), or claim she doesn't care about something, and if someone other than the poster she was responding to responds to one of her posts, she will complain because she didn't ask for their opinion.
 
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How much do you think the NRA should take the blame? This is, after all, what they have defended guns with for years--people rising up against government.

No blame at all, as much as you with for it.

Based upon your logic:

Blame auto makers for crashes where people are killed; Blame spirit manufacturers for OMVI deaths, ad nauseum.

Time to stop the whining and crying and understand the real world with an adult viewpoint.

Show me one communique where the NRA advocated taking up arms up against the government.
 
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I didn't realize today was opposite day! Two officers are shot -- which is horrible, unacceptable, and tragic -- after largely peaceful protests in Ferguson. So a few criminals try to murder two police officers and now we have conservatives blaming... Eric Holder? Seriously? And here, as a liberal, I always point out that I don't blame any high profile conservative or the NRA or any political wing when some crazy guy decides he's going to spill the blood of tyranny or some tripe like that. I guess the NRA's new motto should be "guns don't kill people, factual DoJ reports do!" I guess personal responsibility is no longer a primary concern for those of you on the right.

Also, a lot of liberals who do blame Republicans and the NRA for inciting violence are not playing those cards today. I am a deeply flawed human being, but at least I'm consistent, and let me tell you: it's not that hard.
 
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Just curious, are any of the usual cop bashers in this thread paying lip service about how they're broken up or bothered by this,
because that would be pretty funny.

The lawyer for the Brown family condemned the police shootings in no uncertain terms.
The parents of Brown have expressed their grief to the families of the two policemen.

There's no excuse for alcohol, champagne, being brought to this protest as they celebrated the Police Chief resigning.
An excess of alcohol is the ruination of mankind.

As for two other recent examples, look at the Secret Service high-ranking officials who got drunk and drove into the White House barrier.

And I do buy into the well-crafted letter by one of the Oklahoma University students, blaming alcohol for letting his guard down.
My ****-ups in college based on alcohol weren't racist-related, but I've had to live with them all my life.
Just as these ****-ups will live with these students all their lives.

We all know that alcohol is the number one gateway drug.
I've had far too many experiences during my near 40-year career with my high school students that I can never forget .
 
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First they announced that Wilson was off the hook, which probably pissed off some people. Then they immediate announced the report results of systematic racism in the police department...............that was irresponsible. He should have known the risk of doing that.

That makes about as much sense as blaming the gun (readily available firearms being the "means" and Holder's report being the "motive").

At the end of the day two criminals are to blame, nobody, and nothing, else.
 
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