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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The first reports I read apparently came from protesters who were there. They were saying that the shots came from 125 yards away with a pistol. If that was the case then the shooter was either the unluckiest person in the world who "accidentally" shot the cops or he was a better shot than anyone on the planet.

    I saw the video and heard the shots. The gunman must have been pretty close. I'd guess he was no more than the other side of the street and was probably on a car. The idea that it was anything other than attempted murder is conspiracy fodder.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

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    From a moving car?
    My guess is that it wasn't moving when he took the shots.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    My guess is that it wasn't moving when he took the shots.
    From the Conservativetreehouse blog.

    Whoah, when asked if shots fired from “red vehicle” McCulloch confirms the red vehicle is part of the investigation.


    UPDATE: Suspect Pictured Jeffrey L Williams – Suspect Arrested In Ferguson Shooting Of Police Officers – Was Regular Ferguson Protestor, Handgun Recovered…. | The Last Refuge

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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    yeah, but it's really a media hyped thing, made to seem worse than it is if it exists at all.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/j...icle-1.2030545
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    The issue in Ferguson isn't only white cops shooting black men. What's bizarre is I've seen you criticize the heavy handed tactics of cops but Ferguson is the poster boy of systematic abusive and excessive force.

    Here's a great article from "Redstate" of all things that goes over the findings. In fact...this article disregards everything except data straight from the Ferguson Police database since of course a DOJ under a Democratic President can't be trusted...
    Many Conservatives are Blowing it on the Ferguson DOJ Report | RedState

    The brief version?
    I. Police Department as Revenue Generator
    Ferguson Police serving a city with a large portion of people under the poverty line used police citations in order to fill the city coffers. The fees from fines almost tripled and the city openly talked about using the police as a large revenue generator. Police would stop people for minor offenses and to meet the pressure to increase revenue started hitting people with multiple citations for minor offenses. They were stopping people with the intent of writing them citations. For the largely poor black population they couldn't afford these tickets and there were over 9,000 warrants issued for failure to pay. The Ferguson Police Jail turned into a virtual debtors prison.

    II. Excessive Use of Force
    Even using the officers own description of events officers habitually used excessive force. The report shows that cops didn't use force only in the case of protecting themselves, that a lot of time it was used in a retaliatory way towards anyone that showed "contempt of cop". Of course the instances of excessive force was used in much higher percentages against black communities. Excessive force included canines and tasers.

    III. Lack of oversight
    If you use force your supposed to file a "Use of Force" report that requires supervisor approval. Well...most of the Use of Force Reports were never viewed or signed by Supervisors and there is a lot of evidence suggesting that Use of Force reports weren't filled out in a lot of instances where it should of been. Police in Ferguson acted of their own volition without any consequences for their actions. That's dangerous...as mentioned earlier, the black community in Ferguson was the recipient of most of the Use of Force situations.

    IV. "Contempt of Cop"
    "Failure to Obey", "Failure to Comply", "manner of Walking" and "Resisting Arrest" where pretty much used by police if they didn't like the actions of people they were arresting or people around them. In fact, they were used multiple times on bystanders taping or calling a police officers supervisor as they used excessive force.

    The article also mentions the "wanteds" system which even described in the police handbook is a blatant violation of the Fourth Amendment. They basically created warrants without any judicial oversight.

    V. Racial Bias

    There is more than enough evidence of racial bias...the article lists out some of the more damning statistics.
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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The issue in Ferguson isn't only white cops shooting black men. What's bizarre is I've seen you criticize the heavy handed tactics of cops but Ferguson is the poster boy of systematic abusive and excessive force.



    In all my travels, by far, the most racist state I've ever had the pleasure of being in was missouri, joplin to be exact. but that's anecdotal.


    I have no doubt this permeates into the police.


    However, mike brown was a thug who just strong armed robbed a bodega, and got shot charging a cop. Race, in this specific incident had nothing to do with it and rallying behind mike brown, makes the pro-reform movement less respectable.
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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    In all my travels, by far, the most racist state I've ever had the pleasure of being in was missouri, joplin to be exact. but that's anecdotal.


    I have no doubt this permeates into the police.


    However, mike brown was a thug who just strong armed robbed a bodega, and got shot charging a cop. Race, in this specific incident had nothing to do with it and rallying behind mike brown, makes the pro-reform movement less respectable.
    Mike Brown was a thug, the DOJ report supports that the use of force was justified, but it's pretty apparent by the other stuff in the DOJ report on why the people in Ferguson didn't trust the verdict or police/justice system in charge of making that verdict. The report also finds there are massive abuses by the Police while the City either directly benefited by that abuse or failed to provide any sort of oversight.

    It's a pretty damning set of information and it's pretty easy to see why "hey guys, the shooting was justified" hasn't resulted in people going home and saying "back to business as usual".
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What?
    Not when they are committing a disproportionate amount.
    How in the world would you ever measure such a thing? What, blacks drivers in ferguson speed 50% more frequently than white drivers?

    Gonna have a real hard time convincing me of this

    There is very likely racial profiling going on in order to fund the police dept in ferguson, but it's like this nearby town where i knew to not go even 1 mph over the speed limit, and to avoid the town when possible. The cops there were notorious

    Now the question is how is any of this worth the turmoil that has followed. Jesus, stop racial profiling drivers and stop rioting over dumb **** and that will solve the problems
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He did admit it, and he claims he was aiming at someone in the crowd who he was having a "disagreement" with.

    So now that we know this, does it make a difference? Does it make his story believable?
    No idea.

    But it would be interesting to know who he claims to have been shooting at.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
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    My guess is that it wasn't moving when he took the shots.
    From the Conservativetreehouse blog.

    Whoah, when asked if shots fired from “red vehicle” McCulloch confirms the red vehicle is part of the investigation.


    UPDATE: Suspect Pictured Jeffrey L Williams – Suspect Arrested In Ferguson Shooting Of Police Officers – Was Regular Ferguson Protestor, Handgun Recovered…. | The Last Refuge

    Based on the updated information from The Conservative Treehouse,... The length of the street he is driving on, as well as the time between when the image was taken and the time the shots were fired it would suggest you were right.
    I would have to say you are correct that the vehicle was not moving.

    The above image was taken at 2:18:54 while the shots were fired 27 seconds later at 2:19:21.

    “27 Seconds”! – The Jeffrey L Williams Criminal Complaint Destroys Self Defense Claim – “knowingly shot a firearm from a 2003 Pontiac Grand Am”… | The Last Refuge
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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Mike Brown was a thug, the DOJ report supports that the use of force was justified, but it's pretty apparent by the other stuff in the DOJ report on why the people in Ferguson didn't trust the verdict or police/justice system in charge of making that verdict. The report also finds there are massive abuses by the Police while the City either directly benefited by that abuse or failed to provide any sort of oversight.

    It's a pretty damning set of information and it's pretty easy to see why "hey guys, the shooting was justified" hasn't resulted in people going home and saying "back to business as usual".
    So, where does Wilson go to get his reputation back?
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