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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So in other words, the DOJ does a big investigation (at their own behest), says that racism and corruption is rampant in the city, gave pages of suggestions of what needs to be done, and then just walks away. Got it.

    I'm not being coy. You're the one who's saying this. And it's only in your imagination that I oppose seeing the PD in Ferguson cleared out. In fact, I've said the opposite many times in this thread. I even said the entire force should be transferred and an entirely new one brought in. When I said that, you said it wasn't fair to transfer non-corrupt cops. Are you not reading my posts and do you not remember your own rebuttal to my posts?
    Yes, you sarcastically said if the whole departments bad, replace it. Except the whole department isn't bad. Baby-bath water. And racists shouldn't be transferred, they should be fired. And law enforcement that's breaking the law should be both fired and prosecuted. The same for those violating the constitutional rights of the citizens of Ferguson, as documented in the report. And yes, having completed their job, the JD needs to walk away and leave it to the local authorities to implement its recommendations. Do you really not understand how things work? And of course the JD investigates at their own behest, it's their J.O.B.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, what's really racist is to allow private schools for prosperous Blacks and Whites while eliminating school choice for poverty stricken Black neighborhoods. And your knee-jerk response with 'racism' is why many non Black people don't like to get involved in the discussion about problems within the Black Community.
    We know it's there, it's visible, but we self censor.

    Race hustlers like Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, Holder, and the NAACP do more harm perpetuating the inferiority of Blacks (Affirmative Action is an example) then than doing everything they can, for political and financial reasons I believe, to advance the situation for Blacks in America.

    Obama Wrong on D.C. School Vouchers and Hypocritical, Just Like Congress - US News

    Get Over It...Democratic Liberals Have Failed the Black Community - Deneen Borelli
    To the bolded, yes, that too is racist. As to your comments on race baiters, they too exist, though I disagree with you that the president is one. And my observation of your racism was deliberate and not knee jerk.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, you sarcastically said if the whole departments bad, replace it. Except the whole department isn't bad. Baby-bath water. And racists shouldn't be transferred, they should be fired. And law enforcement that's breaking the law should be both fired and prosecuted. The same for those violating the constitutional rights of the citizens of Ferguson, as documented in the report. And yes, having completed their job, the JD needs to walk away and leave it to the local authorities to implement its recommendations. Do you really not understand how things work? And of course the JD investigates at their own behest, it's their J.O.B.
    I never said that sarcastically. I've said that repeatedly and seriously. According to the AG report, it's systemic. Systemic doesn't mean isolated. Surely you know that.

    And if the entire department isn't bad, then you need to expose the ones that are. I've asked you a few times why they can't release those names. You haven't answered.

    You need to stop the paranoid posts, monte. And stop being defensive of the AG's office. They created an environment of hostility here. You don't see it yourself, and that's fine. But I do, and most of the rest of the country sees it too. They can't just dump this report out there and wash their hands of the matter. You know that as well as I do.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never said that sarcastically. I've said that repeatedly and seriously. According to the AG report, it's systemic. Systemic doesn't mean isolated. Surely you know that.

    And if the entire department isn't bad, then you need to expose the ones that are. I've asked you a few times why they can't release those names. You haven't answered.

    You need to stop the paranoid posts, monte. And stop being defensive of the AG's office. They created an environment of hostility here. You don't see it yourself, and that's fine. But I do, and most of the rest of the country sees it too. They can't just dump this report out there and wash their hands of the matter. You know that as well as I do.
    As soon as the JD shined its light on the vermin in the FPD, they fled like roaches. Any remaining need to be fired. Then the city council, the city manager and the mayor need to be about reshaping their police department, and then monitor it for corruption. That's not paranoid, that's pragmatic.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nothing will be fixed until we end this pathetic partisanship that prevents us from examining the actual dynamics of problems we face. The sickening level of finger pointing is just evidence of how far we've fallen. People want to use the deaths as cheap political points instead of looking at the system of government force we employ against the People and determining if there are some systematic problems that need to be addressed. Sickening.
    There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As soon as the JD shined its light on the vermin in the FPD, they fled like roaches. Any remaining need to be fired. Then the city council, the city manager and the mayor need to be about reshaping their police department, and then monitor it for corruption. That's not paranoid, that's pragmatic.
    I didn't say that was paranoid. I said you assuming my sarcasm is paranoid.

    So you're saying the Police Chief was corrupt. Hmm...he'd disagree with you. And since the AG report doesn't specifically name him (or anyone else for that matter, including the officers who sent the emails), who knows? Unless Holder makes public who the bad people actually are, how do you know that the bad people are the ones who resigned? For all you/we know, the good ones said "I'm out of here" and the corrupt ones remain.

    I'm a little curious but maybe you aren't. That's okay.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say that was paranoid. I said you assuming my sarcasm is paranoid.

    So you're saying the Police Chief was corrupt. Hmm...he'd disagree with you. And since the AG report doesn't specifically name him (or anyone else for that matter, including the officers who sent the emails), who knows? Unless Holder makes public who the bad people actually are, how do you know that the bad people are the ones who resigned? For all you/we know, the good ones said "I'm out of here" and the corrupt ones remain.

    I'm a little curious but maybe you aren't. That's okay.
    Lol. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. At any rate, there's not much you can do for Ferguson from your great distance. But the city can and hopefully will purge out racism and corruption in their police department, implementing the JD's recommendations and in so doing become a clean organization that is respected by the people they're charged to serve, and perhaps stand as a model for other departments, like maybe Pine Lawn.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. At any rate, there's not much you can do for Ferguson from your great distance. But the city can and hopefully will purge out racism and corruption in their police department, implementing the JD's recommendations and in so doing become a clean organization that is respected by the people they're charged to serve, and perhaps stand as a model for other departments, like maybe Pine Lawn.
    I'm not looking to do anything for Ferguson. I'm having the same discussion on here that you are. And commenting on the AG's report, considering he works for us and we have a right to debate and critique his work.

    No idea what Pine Lawn is.

    If the vermin are gone, I guess the citizens of Ferguson will find out soon enough. And if they are, then we don't have to hear about Ferguson anymore.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.
    But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ.

    And isn't it interesting that the one place that you could count on for being politicized for the last 6 years was, in fact, the DOJ.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    There will always be partisanship. And in many respects that is healthy. But one place that should never be politicized is the DOJ. Even the comments of the Inspector General in 2013 about the Civil Rights Division should be troubling for every American regardless of political affiliation. Holder has been claiming racism in local police stations all across the country. Ferguson isn't the first and won't be the last. But then again he has gone after public schools as being racist against black students because they tend to get expelled in greater numbers. Never addressing the meltdown of the black family over poverty due to single mothers, and even though study after study show regardless of race, children of single mothers tend to have more behavior problems. He went after fire departments as being racist because they didn't have enough black fire fighters. Turns out fire departments hire those who score the highest on the testing. Somehow that made them racist. It's pretty obvious this man has a problem with white people. And he has hired a bunch of attorneys in his civil rights unit that are like minded. And the damage he has done to race relations with pointing out to statistics without addressing their underlying causes is despicable. Thank God he is on his way out and here is hoping that his replacement will not be more of the same.
    This is part of the problem. The constant focus on instances of racism breed resentment on once side and tin foil hat nuttiness on the other.

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