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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Nothing is going to get "fixed" until political activists are no longer running the DOJ.
    Nothing will be fixed until we end this pathetic partisanship that prevents us from examining the actual dynamics of problems we face. The sickening level of finger pointing is just evidence of how far we've fallen. People want to use the deaths as cheap political points instead of looking at the system of government force we employ against the People and determining if there are some systematic problems that need to be addressed. Sickening.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah I know. Because republicans are never political activists. It's racist of you to deny the racism documented in the report. Why wouldn't you want to see racism purged from the FPD or any PD?
    No, it's really not racism to deny a report that is skewed to a predetermined conclusion. That said, let's suppose the report has it dead on. How do you do your purge? Stop pulling over people of color? A sort of reverse racial profiling? Stack the department with people of color regardless of their qualifications?

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And it is a fine morning, thank you. It would be better if we were not dealing with the attempted assassinations of two police officers, but life is as they say...

    A blogger cherry picking does not undermine anything for me. Those who will never believe this report will though.

    It is a couple of lines in a 102 page report on a six month study. In the overall, when you have city councilors pressing police for more revenue, when that revenue is higher than normal to begin with and is coming from the poorest people, there is a problem. A problem that was allowed to fester and became a riot and is now a war, with snipers.

    I want this on the record again....I do not give ONE fiddler's **** who is to blame for what Ferguson has become. I do care that it doesn't look like anything is going to get fixed.

    But here is a sample of finding[s] kind of illustrating what was the situation in Ferguson.............







    Ferguson Law Enforcement Practices Disproportionately Harm Ferguson’s African-American Residents and Are Driven in Part by Racial Bias Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices disproportionately harm African Americans

    Further, our investigation found substantial evidence that this harm stems in part from intentional discrimination in violation of the Constitution. African Americans experience disparate impact in nearly every aspect of Ferguson’s law enforcement system. Despite making up 67% of the population, African Americans accounted for 85% of FPD’s traffic stops, 90% of FPD’s citations, and 93% of FPD’s arrests from 2012 to 2014. Other statistical disparities, set forth in detail below, show that in Ferguson:


    African Americans are 2.07 times more likely to be searched during a vehicular stop but are 26% less likely to have contraband found on them during a search. They are 2.00 times more likely to receive a citation and 2.37 times more likely to be arrested following a vehicular stop.


    African Americans have force used against them at disproportionately high rates, accounting for 88% of all cases from 2010 to August 2014 in which an FPD officer reported using force. In all 14 uses of force involving a canine bite for which we have information about the race of the person bitten, the person was African American.


    African Americans are more likely to receive multiple citations during a single incident, receiving four or more citations on 73 occasions between October 2012 and July 2014, whereas non-African Americans received four or more citations only twice during that period.


    African Americans account for 95% of Manner of Walking charges; 94% of all Fail to Comply charges; 92% of all Resisting Arrest charges; 92% of all Peace Disturbance charges; and 89% of all Failure to Obey charges.



    African Americans are 68% less likely than others to have their cases dismissed by the Municipal Judge, and in 2013 African Americans accounted for 92% of cases in which an arrest warrant was issued.

    That report is too in depth and overwhelming to dismiss based on a blogger's interpretation of the figures.
    But did the report focus on the increase in gang activity in the St. Louis area that are predominantly black which would include suburbs of St. Louis? No it did not. Did it address the reasons for the arrests? No it did not. So who is playing with statistics? Ferguson is 8 miles from St. Louis.

    News 4 Investigates: The Gang Life | KMOV.com St. Louis

    Ferguson is over 60% black and already had a growing gang culture.
    http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-rec...n-gangs-265884

    Many estimates for the number of gangs come in at 80-100 for the St. Louis area overwhelmingly black. In that type of atmosphere it is not far fetched to reason there would be a high rate of criminal arrests of blacks in that area.

    Have a good one F&L
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But did the report focus on the increase in gang activity in the St. Louis area that are predominantly black which would include suburbs of St. Louis? No it did not. Did it address the reasons for the arrests? No it did not. So who is playing with statistics? Ferguson is 8 miles from St. Louis.

    News 4 Investigates: The Gang Life | KMOV.com St. Louis

    Ferguson is over 60% black and already had a growing gang culture.
    http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-rec...n-gangs-265884

    Many estimates for the number of gangs come in at 80-100 for the St. Louis area overwhelmingly black. In that type of atmosphere it is not far fetched to reason there would be a high rate of criminal arrests of blacks in that area.

    Have a good one F&L


    I will, thanks V...

    Clearly we are never going to agree on this one. I was with you until I heard in depth coverage and then read it. It is unreasonable to assume that everything that comes out of the Obama administration is ****ed up. Most yes, but not this, there are high profile attorney's with careers on the line on this, to simply dismiss it as political and racist on that basis is not reasonable.

    You have a fine day as well. The weather here is sunny, going into the 70's and I hear this beach calling.....

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I suppose you think that's profound. It's certainly a racist comment. Perhaps if they had the recent history of slavery and oppression, white Americans would be more sensitive to it as well.
    No, what's really racist is to allow private schools for prosperous Blacks and Whites while eliminating school choice for poverty stricken Black neighborhoods. And your knee-jerk response with 'racism' is why many non Black people don't like to get involved in the discussion about problems within the Black Community.
    We know it's there, it's visible, but we self censor.

    Race hustlers like Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, Holder, and the NAACP do more harm perpetuating the inferiority of Blacks (Affirmative Action is an example) then than doing everything they can, for political and financial reasons I believe, to advance the situation for Blacks in America.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, what's really racist is to allow private schools for prosperous Blacks and Whites while eliminating school choice for poverty stricken Black neighborhoods. And your knee-jerk response with 'racism' is why many non Black people don't like to get involved in the discussion about problems within the Black Community.
    We know it's there, it's visible, but we self censor.

    Race hustlers like Sharpton, Obama, Jackson, Holder, and the NAACP do more harm perpetuating the inferiority of Blacks (Affirmative Action is an example) then than doing everything they can, for political and financial reasons I believe, to advance the situation for Blacks in America.

    Obama Wrong on D.C. School Vouchers and Hypocritical, Just Like Congress - US News

    Get Over It...Democratic Liberals Have Failed the Black Community - Deneen Borelli
    Great piece by Deneen Borelli. Thanks for posting it.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It depends on the power of suggestion.
    Then you have to ask the people who suggested it what they meant by it. That doesn't involve me. I never suggested the entire city is involved in the rioting. In fact, I'm sure that most aren't. Especially the ones who own businesses there or work in the city. Business owners don't want their town wrecked.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And I assumed you knew I was being facetious. Apparently not.

    But that said, Holder got involved, he produced the report, he outlined what needs to be done. Now what? Sit back and say "Good luck"? He got the citizens of Ferguson worked up that they have enormous problems in their police ranks. The protests are starting again. Police officers are being shot in the neck and shoulders. Should he just turn his back and let whatever happens, happen?
    Why are you being coy about this? It's not the AG's job to implement anything in Ferguson. The city council, city attorney and the mayor need to work together to implement Holders report recommendations in order to eliminate the abuse, lawlessness and constitutional disparities within the FPD. Then they need to guide the police department to build the trust and confidence of the citizenry so that they won't view the police as unhuman when they put on a uniform. Why are your knickers twisted about your neck over this. Why are you opposed to seeing a police department cleaned up and rid of corruption, it makes no sense?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why are you being coy about this? It's not the AG's job to implement anything in Ferguson. The city council, city attorney and the mayor need to work together to implement Holders report recommendations in order to eliminate the abuse, lawlessness and constitutional disparities within the FPD. Then they need to guide the police department to build the trust and confidence of the citizenry so that they won't view the police as unhuman when they put on a uniform. Why are your knickers twisted about your neck over this. Why are you opposed to seeing a police department cleaned up and rid of corruption, it makes no sense?
    So in other words, the DOJ does a big investigation (at their own behest), says that racism and corruption is rampant in the city, gave pages of suggestions of what needs to be done, and then just walks away. Got it.

    I'm not being coy. You're the one who's saying this. And it's only in your imagination that I oppose seeing the PD in Ferguson cleared out. In fact, I've said the opposite many times in this thread. I even said the entire force should be transferred and an entirely new one brought in. When I said that, you said it wasn't fair to transfer non-corrupt cops. Are you not reading my posts and do you not remember your own rebuttal to my posts?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's really not racism to deny a report that is skewed to a predetermined conclusion. That said, let's suppose the report has it dead on. How do you do your purge? Stop pulling over people of color? A sort of reverse racial profiling? Stack the department with people of color regardless of their qualifications?
    Right, so many people making comments on a report they haven't read. The report, so you'll know, doesn't just point out disparities in pull overs. There's far more trouble in the FPD than just that. There's also a culpable and corrupt court. At the end of the report are listed all the recommendations that should be implemented to clean up this corrupt department.
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