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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Alex Jones?

    Aside from one moron shouting “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening,” where and when exactly was all this "celebrating" from lots of people?
    Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
    No, it's not. What a travesty the FPD has been that has caused such fear and hate amongst the cities citizens.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
    Yeah, there was one other guy they talked to who said it was a set up by the cops and that they took their own guys out to gin up sympathy and undermine the black victimization movement or something along those lines.

    When you've got a "cause" as misguided as this Black Lives Matter thing is it attracts lunatics like moths to a flame.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's actually hilarious how much work you're doing to deny the obvious - the police department is/was corrupt and racist.

    It's not that there was a few bad apples in that department. They beat an innocent man doing nothing wrong, charged HIM with the just breathtaking crime of BLEEDING ON THE JACK BOOTED THUGS WHO BEAT HIM, and when he later sued they lied in the deposition, and then after the suit was filed, charged the victim of abuse with assault of a police officer. And of course they deleted the surveillance tape. So their response to wrongdoing was to commit more wrongdoing to cover up the previous wrongdoing - double down on the corruption. I'm sorry, but by any rational measure that's the sign of a department that's corrupt (at least if not also obviously racist) from top to bottom.

    And you don't think this attitude and corruption was well known to the population before Brown was shot? It's funny in a very sick way that anyone can believe that.
    Morning JasperL.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And my opinion, it is a fool that accepts this report as being an accurate depiction of the FPD given Holder's record of politicizing the DOJ and his record for race baiting, his record for a number of judges rebuking him for his "interpretation" of the law. It's a fool that doesn't weigh these facts especially when those in charge of the civil rights department at the DOJ are all left activist attorneys. It's a fool that also doesn't take into consideration that this man has an agenda with his records of acts like praising Al Sharpton the biggest race baiter of our time for his tireless work.

    But today while surfing, I came across this blog written by an African American and he calls Eric Holder out on his racism using the records from the MO atty. gen. website

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    Racial Profiling Statistics


    - Disparity Index = Optimal number is 1, below 1 means group is underrepresented in the sample. Over 1 means over represented in the sample.


    State Average – Disparity Index against African-American – 1.59


    Ferguson Police Department

    Disparity Index against African Americans – 1.37

    63% of population is African-American

    86% % of the traffic stops are African American


    Below are Communities run by black City Councils/Mayor


    Pine Lawn Police Department

    Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32

    1.42% of population is White

    27.5 % of the traffic stops are White


    [Author’s note:] Here’s an interesting factoid on Pine Lawn: Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.


    Berkeley Police Department

    Disparity Index against Whites – 2.69

    15% of population is White

    42 % of the traffic stops are White"





    DOJ pulls a "Lois Lerner" on Ferguson | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Of course you did. And of course that wasn't me you were referring to, was it?

    No, just keep nipping at my heels. It's fun.

    Again, are you Jasper because that's who I had replied to.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Last night, when the reporter for FNC interviewed a 42 year old lady protesting last night, who was there at the shooting, he asked what she thought, or what she felt when she witnessed the shooting, and her answer was that she felt "nothing"... She went on to explain that she was sure that they felt sorrow for the falling of their own, just as they do, but that when they put on that uniform they are in her own words, "not human".... Is this what we want in this country? Really?
    So still, is that 'alot' of people celebrating?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So, again, why aren't people who tolerate corruption themselves corrupt. That should be easy to answer. I think the opposite personally, and will say why. If you tolerate corruption, you accept it. If you are a passive observer of a crime and do nothing to stop it, you are not an honest person.

    So if the members of the force saw corruption and did nothing, why are you so convinced that they should keep their jobs, and that it won't happen again? I'm not.
    First of all, this is a side issue - a throw away comment to another person who made a similar throw away comment. So of course that's what you pick to focus on. It's the "drag this conversation down a rat hole" method.

    Second, there are good people in every corrupt organization. Some people claim that the DOJ is corrupt. If Holder is (and let's assume it is PROVED and KNOWN within DOJ for this purpose), it's literally insane to argue that all those who remain in DOJ, even people with 15 years, career officials, are also corrupt. Some with strong morals and the ability and willingness to risk their job, and future jobs, will directly challenge corruption. Others for lots of reasons will choose to do their job in an ethical way, and survive - provide for their family, do their best to protect the community in Ferguson, maybe try in small ways to change the culture or to alleviate the worst of it. Etc.

    So no, it's not a fair assumption that all 55 cops are corrupt because some number of them are. Recognizing that good people will be unwilling or unable to challenge the system is just living in the REAL WORLD instead of the black and white world where you are either corrupt OR you put your family's livelihood and potentially your career in law enforcement on the line to directly challenge it. Or, at a time when decent jobs are hard to come by and you might be tied to the area because of family, your wife's job, etc. that all honest people will quit and hope to find as good a job somewhere else. Maybe providing for their kids takes priority. There are many reasons why people will simply do THEIR job ethically and tolerate it elsewhere in their job. Maybe they are like most of us and are good at self deception when it two important principles clash - provide for family OR quit over principle and hope it all works out....

    But this is a different topic - but you've managed to take the discussion off the report and your deliberate unwillingness to get the point of it. Nice job...

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Morning JasperL.

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion. And my opinion, it is a fool that accepts this report as being an accurate depiction of the FPD given Holder's record of politicizing the DOJ and his record for race baiting, his record for a number of judges rebuking him for his "interpretation" of the law. It's a fool that doesn't weigh these facts especially when those in charge of the civil rights department at the DOJ are all left activist attorneys. It's a fool that also doesn't take into consideration that this man has an agenda with his records of acts like praising Al Sharpton the biggest race baiter of our time for his tireless work.

    But today while surfing, I came across this blog written by an African American and he calls Eric Holder out on his racism using the records from the MO atty. gen. website

    "
    Racial Profiling Statistics


    - Disparity Index = Optimal number is 1, below 1 means group is underrepresented in the sample. Over 1 means over represented in the sample.


    State Average – Disparity Index against African-American – 1.59


    Ferguson Police Department

    Disparity Index against African Americans – 1.37

    63% of population is African-American

    86% % of the traffic stops are African American


    Below are Communities run by black City Councils/Mayor


    Pine Lawn Police Department

    Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32

    1.42% of population is White

    27.5 % of the traffic stops are White


    [Author’s note:] Here’s an interesting factoid on Pine Lawn: Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.


    Berkeley Police Department

    Disparity Index against Whites – 2.69

    15% of population is White

    42 % of the traffic stops are White"





    DOJ pulls a "Lois Lerner" on Ferguson | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net | The Black Sphere | TheBlackSphere.net


    Hi Lady V...

    May I ask on what you base that opinion?

    What evidence is there the report is doctored or exaggerated?

    I have read the entire thing, has looked at the background and gathering of data, the side comments of those interviewed...

    I was dismissive as well, until I heard a CBC program with interviews from the authors, people in Ferguson, lawyers who have faced these courts and sop on. It was that show that made me take a look at this and read it....

    I have seen not one shred of evidence to indicate that report is in any way compromised and nothing to indicate that the descriptions and how they used the police as a money gathering tool. The figures are there, there is a paper trail.

    If there is anything to indicate this is some kind of fraud, please let me know...because in your opinion I am a fool and if so, I need to correct that
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Alex Jones?

    Aside from one moron shouting “Acknowledgement nine months ago would have kept that from happening,” where and when exactly was all this "celebrating" from lots of people?
    You need to read the comments under the link.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Hi Lady V...

    May I ask on what you base that opinion?

    What evidence is there the report is doctored or exaggerated?

    I have read the entire thing, has looked at the background and gathering of data, the side comments of those interviewed...

    I was dismissive as well, until I heard a CBC program with interviews from the authors, people in Ferguson, lawyers who have faced these courts and sop on. It was that show that made me take a look at this and read it....

    I have seen not one shred of evidence to indicate that report is in any way compromised and nothing to indicate that the descriptions and how they used the police as a money gathering tool. The figures are there, there is a paper trail.

    If there is anything to indicate this is some kind of fraud, please let me know...because in your opinion I am a fool and if so, I need to correct that
    Goooooood Morning F&L

    Well for starters, go back to the report in the way they worded covering the stops made on traffic violations. Sounds bad until you discover that the State of Missouri allows up to 30% of revenue from traffic tickets. Ferguson doesn't come close but currently several predominately black cities in Missouri who have black mayors are in violation of state law for over ticketing. The stats that really blow one away are that of Pine Lawn.....who has a black mayor/city council.

    Pine Lawn Police Department

    Disparity Index against Whites – 19.32

    1.42% of population is White

    27.5 % of the traffic stops are White

    Pine Lawn’s Director of Public Safety (Police Chief) and their City Prosecutor “moonlights” as the Attorney for Michael Brown’s family.

    I looked up the distance between Pine Lawn and Ferguson Missouri, the distance is 4.7 miles.

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