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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

    The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

    And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

    The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
    Although I think Holder and the DOJ botched this from the beginning... for instance, should have issued a separate report clearing Officer Wilson first, instead of just including that little tidbit, as if it were unimportant, in the scathing report about the department itself.

    I haven't commented because I haven't read the report itself, just going off of "media interpretations"... don't get me started on how the media has fanned this blast furnace... but your description of the kinds of incidents documented in the report is jaw dropping. Thank you for giving us some enlightenment.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Has anyone heard if they've said what kind of bullet hit these men? It surprised me to hear one of them was shot just under the eye with a rifle from about 125 yards, and yet was treated at the hospital and released. What happened to the other officer is not much less surprising. That bullet entered his shoulder and exited his back, but he too was able to be released after treatment.

    It sounds like the rifle can't have been anything more powerful than a .22 rimfire--if so, it's sort of an odd choice as used. I've heard they were often used by hit men in Mafia killings because the noise is not very noticeable on a city street, but those shootings took place at such close range that a shot to the head with even a .22 was a pretty sure thing. Maybe this was just a prank, and the person who fired on the officers never meant to kill them. You know, just some kid horsing around.
    You'd be surprised how lucky people can be. I once took in a patient (drug dealer) who someone had tried to kill. They pulled a shotgun on him but it misfired. When that happened a guy jumped out of the car with a sword ("like the 3 musketeers") and stabbed him. The sword lodged between his ribs and therefore did not penetrate deeply. He was pissed and I kept telling him he needed to buy a lottery ticket.

    It just depends on if vital tissue is hit. Thank goodness both cops are alive.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps there are aspects of the Black culture that should change?
    Perhaps-but leftists will tell you that objectively bad behavior can't be called out because its racist.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Except when they come for their guns, and then they'll shoot em like the paper targets at the range their prowess is so great.
    Oh yeah, forgot about that. So many caveats.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So investigations are attacks. Is Trey Gowdy attacking Hillary Clinton?
    The huge condemnations and justifications for violence by Holder went well beyond an "investigation." It was horrific racebaiting attacks against Ferguson police officers.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Watching some of the protesters being interviewed on Hannity this evening I just had to shake my head at the utter stupidity being uttered.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The huge condemnations and justifications for violence by Holder went well beyond an "investigation." It was horrific racebaiting attacks against Ferguson police officers.
    Their blood is at least in part on his hands. Wind people up like this over false narratives and this is the consequence.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Their blood is at least in part on his hands. Wind people up like this over false narratives and this is the consequence.

    From what I saw, still people standing in front of camera's hold their hands up....pathetic.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Watching some of the protesters being interviewed on Hannity this evening I just had to shake my head at the utter stupidity being uttered.
    And those were probably some of the brighter lights of the fair town of Ferguson--pillars of the community, you might say. Maybe it's their dimness and inability to think or speak coherently that makes the collectivists in the lumpenproletariat feel such solidarity with them.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From what I saw, still people standing in front of camera's hold their hands up....pathetic.
    I saw the shooting video, that ****er on the bullhorn was something.

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