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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I've got an eerie feeling man, as the weather gets warmer and the number of shootings goes up.
    I was only 14-YO during the race riots n 1968 but I remember them vividly.
    Just like the DEM Convention in Chicago that year which I rarely see discussed here.
    Our lily white town had barricades up during the worst days of the riots.
    This is what I am expecting to see in 2015.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Trivialize the racist e-mails all you want. You're also not factoring in how many people these filthy e-mails were sent to who had themselves a good laugh as well, and failed to report them. The racism problem in the FPD is bigger than the tip you see. Read the JD's report, instead of speaking from ignorance and appearing to be a racist yourself!
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I read the report. The emails cited were not recent. The rest of it we are left to believe is an accurate account of their findings and not embellished or taken out of context. If the Atty Gen who himself who has been found to be lose with the laws he is suppose to uphold, whose reading of the law has received scathing rejections by federal judges and his antics overturned by the Supremes has a credibility problem. He is stepping down from his position at the DOJ for a reason. Now I am not saying that police never behave badly, but what is happening right now is by design. If Holder was really wanting to heal this community. He would not have published that report. Instead, he would have dealt with each issue internally. But he didn't choose to. Maybe you should ask yourself why?
    Emails?

    What emails?

    The report deals with over 70 interviews of people, city officials, judges and others in the law enforcement community.

    If there is anything about emails in there it isn't relevant.

    This is:

    It is in part FPD officers’ approach to policing that leads them to violate the Constitution and FPD’s own policies . Officers across the country encounter drunkenness, passive defiance, and verbal challenges. But in Ferguson, officers have not been trained or incentivized to use de-escalation techniques to avoid or minimize force in these situations. Instead, they respond with impatience, frustration, and disproportionate force. FPD’s weak oversight of officer use of force, described in greater detail below, facilitates this abuse. Officers should be required to view the ECW as one tool among many, and “a weapon of need, not a tool of convenience.”
    The City closely monitors whether FPD’s enforcement efforts are bringing in revenue at the desired rate. Consistently over the last several years, the Police Chief has directly reported to City officials FPD’s successful efforts at raising revenue through policing, and City officials have continued to encourage those efforts and request regular updates. For example, in June 2010, at the request of the City, the Chief prepared a report comparing court revenues in Ferguson to court revenues for cities of similar sizes. The Chief’s email sending the report to the City Manager notes that, “of the 80 St. Louis County Municipal Courts reporting revenue, only 8, including Ferguson, have collections greater than one million dollars.”
    ....there is evidence that this is due in part to intentional discrimination on the basis of race. Ferguson’s law enforcement practices overwhelmingly impact African Americans. Data collected by the Ferguson Police Department from 2012 to 2014 shows that African Americans account for 85% of vehicle stops, 90% of citations, and 93% of arrests made by FPD officers, despite comprising only 67% of Ferguson’s population . African Americans are more than twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during vehicle stops even after controlling for non-race based variables such as the reason the vehicle stop was initiated, but are found in possession of contraband 26% less often than white drivers, suggesting officers are impermissibly considering race as a factor when determining whether to search. African Americans are more likely to be cited and arrested following a stop regardless of why the stop was initiated and are more likely to receive multiple citations during a single incident. From 2012 to 2014, FPD issued four or more citations to African Americans on 73 occasions, but issued four or more citations to non-African Americans only twice. FPD appears to bring certain offenses almost exclusively against African Americans. For example, from 2011 to 2013, African Americans accounted for 95% of Manner of Walking in Roadway charges, and 94% of all Failure to Comply charges. Notably, with respect to speeding charges brought by FPD, the evidence shows not only that African Americans are represented at disproportionately high rates overall, but also that the disparate impact of FPD’s enforcement practices on African Americans is 48% larger when citations are issued not on the basis of radar or laser, but by some other method, such as the officer’s own visual assessment.
    These disparities are also present in FPD’s use of force. Nearly 90% of documented force used by FPD officers was used against African Americans. In every canine bite incident for which racial information is available, the person bitten was African American.

    I saw nothing about emails, sorry
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    First they announced that Wilson was off the hook, which probably pissed off some people. Then they immediate announced the report results of systematic racism in the police department...............that was irresponsible. He should have known the risk of doing that.
    It was intended to fit a narrative-that "racist white cops simply shoot blacks on sight".

    Nevermind that it never happened and the shooting was justified-that does not fit the narrative.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That all sounds all well and good. But it does not identify what is behind this cop hatred mantra playing out in the country at this time. I have my hunch that the shooter of these two police officers will be a member of either an anarchist group or a Marxist group that have been associated with ratcheting up the riots in Ferguson and across this country in regard to the police. After all Alinsky did state to agitate and rub raw. And the funding to these groups have been traced to some very big leftist political activists, most prominently George Soros.

    While you try to separate the political factor, it can not be done for the very DOJ/civil rights unit that produced the report, every single attorney in that department is of a leftist ideology or an activist. It appears to be a litmus test one much reach to join the team.If you want acts of humility and those done by example, may I suggest they start with the president and the Atty. General.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I read the report. The emails cited were not recent. The rest of it we are left to believe is an accurate account of their findings and not embellished or taken out of context. If the Atty Gen who himself who has been found to be lose with the laws he is suppose to uphold, whose reading of the law has received scathing rejections by federal judges and his antics overturned by the Supremes has a credibility problem. He is stepping down from his position at the DOJ for a reason. Now I am not saying that police never behave badly, but what is happening right now is by design. If Holder was really wanting to heal this community. He would not have published that report. Instead, he would have dealt with each issue internally. But he didn't choose to. Maybe you should ask yourself why?
    I would be more curious as to why you think he should have covered up a pattern of civil rights violations by keeping the investigation's findings a secret....
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    those were kinda my thought too

    why would i want to be a cop in ferguson today?

    there has to be an easier way to make a living.....

    leave the neighborhoods to the people that live in them.....

    apparently they arent happy with the service they have been receiving anyway

    just walk away.....go get another job in another county or precinct
    I can tell you how it is right now (has been for years) where I work as a Paramedic-there are entire neighborhoods (all minority) where we simply dont go when people call 911 until we have a police escort.

    My rig has been shot at, egged, and had rocks thrown at it-and when we stage-say down the street people come up to us and ask why we aren't going up the street to help-and I explain it to them. You can see the frustration, but I frankly dont care. They do it to themselves, and Im not risking my safety for them.

    On top of that its a massive strain on the system, because it takes longer to run calls, and it pulls the police away from where they are needed more though they have certainly saved my ass before. And we've saved theirs. We have to have each others backs in those neighborhoods.

    Most people simply have no idea how fast things can go south-and to he cops credit they do it and generally politely-far more than I would have been. I tell them all the time I dont know how they do it.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, Holder is one of many who made this situation worse.

    And it's terrible that these 2 officers were shot. I'll bet most people on here don't even know their names. I'll bet most people on here can't name the 2 NYPD officers who were shot in cold blood in December. But everyone remembers the name of the "teenager" whose hands actually weren't up in surrender and the white cop who shot him and whose name was cleared, no matter how desperately Holder, the left wing politicians, the bloggers, and the left leaners on here tried to convict him of some wrong doing. That's even more disturbing to me.
    Sorry, but Holder was right about this police department. It is indeed sad that people do not know the names of the 2 killed officers, but most people also do not know most of the innocently killed people in the United States from the guns of criminals.

    Holder did not create the problem in Ferguson, neither were the civil rights protesters. The police in Ferguson is racist and that is what has been causing this issue.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    THAT would be a mistake. It's "Obama" and that asshole has so alienated his own people little that comes out of his administration will be easily accepted. He's poisoned that well, even if it is non-partisan, it will not be seen to be non partisan. How about the Dali Lama and the Swiss army?
    Yeah, but that's the tracks it looks like it'll be going down. DOJ's report has been rendered, clear indications of things that need to change, personnel changes in leadership roles that need to change, and, as much as I'd hate to say it, sensitivity training, . . . a complete reorganization. It's unavoidable at this point.

    So who manages and administers that? I'm not thinking that it'd be the Dali Lama and the Swiss army. I'm thinking that it'll be the DOJ, or am I all wrong on this?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    THAT would be a mistake. It's "Obama" and that asshole has so alienated his own people little that comes out of his administration will be easily accepted. He's poisoned that well, even if it is non-partisan, it will not be seen to be non partisan. How about the Dali Lama and the Swiss army?
    You talk about not make it a "us vs. them" and transcending politics, and then you post that.

    Like I said, many can't transcend politics.
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