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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'll just quote liveonramen: "There's been multiple cases of black men being killed in various cities that were really unarmed and not threatening a police officer...since the Michael Brown shooting. Why do you think Ferguson has erupted like it has? The Michael Brown incident is an example of a flame setting of a tinderbox."

    Seriously, if you can't recognize that what happened after the Brown shooting was only the spark, then you've entirely missed the real point of all the protests. It's not as if the protesters didn't say early on WHY the reaction was so explosive. I heard and read a number of interviews with those in the community and the story was always the same - the shooting was merely the last straw. To be fair, the national media is lazy and doesn't do nuance very well because it's all got to fit into a sound bite of 90 seconds or so, and so they focused almost entirely on the shooting, but the people doing actual reporting from that area had the story right long ago, and nothing in the report should be a surprise to any of them.
    Oh, I know what you are saying, for sure. I remember the first report I saw on TV, from CBS, to the effect of "Cop shoots and kills unarmed teen". I thought, holy crap, that sounds pretty bad. Obviously, they had almost no information, but decided to go with an untruthful, incendiary line that was completely biased and contributed to the violence that ensued. But what happened later with Sharpton, Holder, and Obama was worse. They had more information, and decided to do what was in their best political interests, and screw the truth. Disgraceful behavior.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Oh, I know what you are saying, for sure. I remember the first report I saw on TV, from CBS, to the effect of "Cop shoots and kills unarmed teen". I thought, holy crap, that sounds pretty bad. Obviously, they had almost no information, but decided to go with an untruthful, incendiary line that was completely biased and contributed to the violence that ensued. But what happened later with Sharpton, Holder, and Obama was worse. They had more information, and decided to do what was in their best political interests, and screw the truth. Disgraceful behavior.
    Someone probably mentioned this earlier but Barack Obama talking Ferguson at the UN may have been the most foolish act in a presidency filled with foolishness. It certainly inflated the notion among some that they were valid in looting, damaging property and then finally attacking the police.

    It's going well beyond being a bad President now and into whether this guy is actually very intelligent.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Holder does know who they are. And they should be fired! Not transferred to subject more citizens to their racism. And who said that rooting out the racism in the Ferguson police department will cure all that ails the world?
    So Holder should have them fired. What's he waiting for?

    Rooting out the racism in Ferguson will cure what ails Ferguson. Nobody mentioned all of the ails of the world that I'm aware of.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Very good. Then I see no issue.
    You see no issue with what?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Trivialize the racist e-mails all you want. You're also not factoring in how many people these filthy e-mails were sent to who had themselves a good laugh as well, and failed to report them. The racism problem in the FPD is bigger than the tip you see. Read the JD's report, instead of speaking from ignorance and appearing to be a racist yourself!
    Wow. You're not usually prone to posts that are filled with this much hysteria. I said that 7 emails dating back 4 years isn't indicative of much. It isn't. Where are the rest of these filthy emails? And who are these people who had good laughs when they got them? I'm sure that's in the report too. Are they being charged with something? Because if they aren't, and they aren't in the PD, who cares about them in this thread. I don't.

    I did read the report. I didn't memorize it word for word. You pasted those emails here. There must be hundreds of them or more recent ones that you can share. Um, not memorizing emails sent by a police department that's about 2000 miles from where I live doesn't make me a racist.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But that is for the people/politicians in Ferguson to solve, not Holder. He has investigated the shooting of Brown (and found the officer was not in the wrong) and investigated the police force of Ferguson and found loads wrong there.

    And this is not just changing out a few police officers, this is endemic and needs a full overhaul from politicians, police chiefs, etc. before this problem is going to start to get better. And even then it will take years before the police has regained the trust of the community.
    Oh. So what are the people/politicians of Ferguson waiting for?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh. So what are the people/politicians of Ferguson waiting for?
    You tell me? Maybe the police has been such a money maker that the politicians do not have the willingness to change the police force.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The report documents many other instances of racial discrimination including policies that are unconstitutional that have been used against hundreds of black people in Ferguson.

    But you keep counting emails. If you spend enough time doing that, you'll have a great excuse for not reading the report (ie "I'm too busy")
    ANd I have said...some of them actually look credible. Problems? Sure...I bet they have them. Systemic racism? Well...you see what you want to see. But then...a lot of people still see Mike Brown as a poor widdle victim as well.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, but you are aware that Holder is the only sitting member of the President's cabinet in all our history to be held in CRIMINAL contempt by congress. The news that he and his department are corrupt broke long enough ago that you have no excuse for defending them or buying their bull****.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Frankly, reading this you see it transcends the politics. It is not even so much a ace issue as it is corruption.

    If anyone should ask which came first, the crime in that area that needed tough policing, or the over-the-top policing causing the push back, I would say yes. And at this point, it is time to let go of legitimate beefs on Holder, and focus on the fact Americans are dying and suffering needlessly at the hands of other Americans. That's just wrong and it has to stop.
    Kinda the point. Less incitation, fewer people killed and less property destruction. But I agree with you, paramount is the reduction in the violence and killing or attempted killing in this case.
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