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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.
    The report makes it clear that they didn't all come from the same individual and that there were many more

    We have discovered evidence of racial bias in emails sent by Ferguson officials, all of
    whom are current employees, almost without exception through their official City of Ferguson
    email accounts, and apparently sent during work hours. These email exchanges involved several
    police and court supervisors, including FPD supervisors and commanders. The following emails
    are illustrative:
    It then lists those 7 as examples, and goes on to say

    Our review of documents revealed many additional email communications that exhibited racial
    or ethnic bias, as well as other forms of bias. Our investigation has not revealed any indication
    that any officer or court clerk engaged in these communications was ever disciplined. Nor did
    we see a single instance in which a police or court recipient of such an email asked that the
    sender refrain from sending such emails, or any indication that these emails were reported as
    inappropriate. Instead, the emails were usually forwarded along to others.49
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I'm not saying that it's not possible that there are racial issues within the Ferguson police department but anecdotal evidence of racism is probably the worst indicator, especially when the investigation focuses on how the police department abuses minorities. The possibility exists that the police department abuses everyone and minority anecdotes are used in the report because the desired outcome of the report was that the department was racist. I have never been to Ferguson and I'm not making claims about them one way or another, I do believe that the Justice Department is racist under Holder and I wouldn't put anything past them.
    I get it

    Anecdotes won't prove racism, nor will any quantitative info. It's obvious that there is nothing that would convince you that racism exists in Ferguon's PD

    But you're certain that the DoJ is racist. In that case, I'm sure you'll accept anecdotes, statistics, and complete fabrications to support your belief
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't give a damn if every cop on the force had a low opinion of blacks.
    Gee, a rightwinger isn't bothered by racists

    Should we be surprised?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, that's not "the point";
    It's my point and it also happens to be the truth. Sorry.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Some of us think that unless the employees of Ferguson are violating some law, their conduct on the job is no one's business but that town's.
    Their conduct does violate the law

    It was documented in the report you don't care about
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

    The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

    And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

    The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
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    Great post and thank you for sticking with the topic, the festering **** that created this mess.

    While I have little respect for Holder, he gets kudos for being the one to expose this nightmare.
    I'd have to agree with FnL on this one.

    I have no issue with finding fact and bringing things to light which are needed to improve the situation. This'd be Holder's DOJ's report.

    I have every issue with the race baiting, inciting to riot, race hustling, and the violence caused by it. In Holder's statements and actions, there's reason to justify that rather than tamping down the race baiting, inciting to riot, race hustling with statements the support of the Ferguson PD when arresting / detaining rioters (which is different than protesters BTW), he goes off and makes statements about how he see himself as an 'Activist Attorney General', clearly inappropriate given the charter of the DOJ and the blind lady of justice and all that (it's supposed to be the law, not 'activism', eh?)

    So, yeah, I think Holder's a lousy Attorney General and has done a lousy job, considering he wouldn't peruse voter intimidation in Philadelphia (benefiting Obama), but is all over every single race related case, and probably advised Obama as to how to get around the immigration laws, with this abuse of prosecutorial discretion.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes, you're right. So remove all these KKK wannabes, and the problem is solved in Ferguson. What is Holder waiting for?
    But that is for the people/politicians in Ferguson to solve, not Holder. He has investigated the shooting of Brown (and found the officer was not in the wrong) and investigated the police force of Ferguson and found loads wrong there.

    And this is not just changing out a few police officers, this is endemic and needs a full overhaul from politicians, police chiefs, etc. before this problem is going to start to get better. And even then it will take years before the police has regained the trust of the community.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    My good God.

    You have zero understanding of this issue..

    It isn't about Wilson...never was.

    No wonder this **** never changes, you have reduced years of systemic corruption into a headline
    They will never let go of things like Wilson being aquitted, the presence of out of town protestors, Holders statements, and this shooting.

    It's the only way they can avoid admitting to the corruption that ran rampant in the Ferguson PD and justice system.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'll defer to the serious comments that condemn the shootings and pray for the lives of the officers from:
    the Brown family, the Brown layer, President Clinton and especially AG Holder;
    With a brother as a policeman, Holder repeats what his brother says: "police have a right to go home alive each night" .


    Holder may say that, but he thinks your brother is a racist.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    I've got an eerie feeling man, as the weather gets warmer and the number of shootings goes up.
    I was only 14-YO during the race riots n 1968 but I remember them vividly.
    Just like the DEM Convention in Chicago that year which I rarely see discussed here.
    Our lily white town had barricades up during the worst days of the riots.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Gee, a rightwinger isn't bothered by racists
    Should we be surprised?
    The younger posters think they can learn and feel what we felt.
    Imagine if the internet was around back then--I'm afraid we wouldn't be here right now.
    Which is why I lean to believing that things happen in a predetermined order based on choices.

    I am happy to see the strong statements from Holder, Brown's family, Brown's lawyer and the President.
    I'll be watching the snarky smartasses on the Baier Special Report on FOX at 6:00 Eastern to see the talking points of our GOP friends .
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