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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's pretty funny - so you as thread police is limiting discussion to the shooting....

    But here's YOUR post, in its entirety, that I responded to:



    LMAO.
    Why do you dwell on the report, unless you are trying to use its allegations of racist acts by Ferguson officers to justify the shooting of two of those officers?

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

    The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

    And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

    The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
    Great post and thank you for sticking with the topic, the festering **** that created this mess.

    While I have little respect for Holder, he gets kudos for being the one to expose this nightmare.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why do you dwell on the report, unless you are trying to use its allegations of racist acts by Ferguson officers to justify the shooting of two of those officers?
    Maybe you should read it.

    No one is justifying the shooting of two policemen.

    All should be looking to understand what the **** is going on, and that report will open yours, likely more than what you want. It is key to the riots of last summer, and good reason [not justification] why the shooting took place.

    Living in a safe suburb or environment, no one can hope to understand this, it is alien to us. Read that report...all of it, it's findings and conclusions and then let's see if you still see this as just another racism allegation
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It was not enough that the Department of Justice had exonerated former officer Darren Wilson. No...............the mob, told by President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder that Ferguson was still guilty of racism, wanted “justice.”

    The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations, based on the faulty notion that a city that enforces traffic tickets vigorously as a means of raising revenue and the majority who live in Ferguson are black some how equates to great racist behavior.
    It's hard to believe you read the report and can reduce the findings to that. Anecdotal evidence is sometimes suspect, but many of them are just unbelievable. The guy sitting in his car after a basketball game getting a whole series of tickets is a good example, though. Why would any police officer doing his JOB ever even ask for ID from a guy sitting in his car after a game? Ticketing a woman for a housing violation during a response based on domestic violence against the woman? Ticketing the boyfriend, towing his car, for not leaving his girlfriend's side quickly enough as she's bleeding? And the statistical evidence clearly shows that there was racial bias in that vigorous enforcement. The picture together is a police force that has serious problems, and only one of them is the view that the cops' job is to write tickets, but that's a serious problem that sort of colors the whole thing.

    Racist emails discovered from a few employees implicated those individuals alone not the whole damn department. But nooooooooooooo Obama and Holder wanted more. They, and serial race baiter Al Sharpton, wanted the humiliation of the town, wanted the division of America to grow, wanted it to be clear that white public officials could never represent a black population.
    It's not that there were racist emails. The problem is that the people were working in an environment that served a majority black population in which people didn't have any apparent hesitation, and suffered not even a reprimand, from sending those emails. A functioning, professional police force doesn't allow that kind of nonsense on work computers. So it goes WAY beyond the individuals who sent or forwarded those emails. This should be obvious.

    So here we are, a town burnt out by rage over a lie, and now cops being used for target practice. Those who instigated this are the biggest racists of all. It's 606 days till the next election. Building up race relations will not begin until this administration is gone.
    The rage was building for some time. This is also obvious. If there was any trust in the police, the initial shooting doesn't become what it did. It was just the spark.

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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    There is 0 justification for what happened. The protestors destroyed so much. Wilson was acquitted. With good reason.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

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    Re: Two Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station[W:263]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    There is 0 justification for what happened. The protestors destroyed so much. Wilson was acquitted. With good reason.
    My good God.

    You have zero understanding of this issue..

    It isn't about Wilson...never was.

    No wonder this **** never changes, you have reduced years of systemic corruption into a headline
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's convenient, got any proof it was erroneous?
    The case has been made that Eric Holder shamelessly operates the most blatantly politicized Department of Justice (DOJ) in a generation. That would be a good place to start.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why do you dwell on the report, unless you are trying to use its allegations of racist acts by Ferguson officers to justify the shooting of two of those officers?
    It's because I read through the thread and lots of people are blaming the shooting on Holder and the report. In the immediate post, I was responding to a direct comment you made about opinions of blacks versus civil rights violations (which would have been revealed in the report). In short, I'm dwelling on the report because it's either responsive to comments like yours or generally relevant to this discussion on this thread.

    And no one is justifying attempted murder of two police officers. I think we all agree that the perps of that act should be caught, tried, and VERY harshly sentenced. There is no possible scenario in which those kinds of cowardly acts are justified, and I can't speak for everyone, but I have a great deal of respect for the vast majority of the police in this country. That doesn't mean I have to excuse bad behavior by police when harsh criticism is IMO warranted.

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