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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Do you have a comment about the report, or is this just another drive-by on your part?

    I've read the most accurate predictor of ideology is where someone falls on the authoritarian scale - higher up the scale, more likely to be a republican/conservative. Comments like that prove the point nicely.
    I don't know what the "authoritarian scale" is, nor do I care. Do you have a comment about the shooting of these officers? That is the topic of this thread--not my political philosophy, and not this report.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The e-mails prove there are racists on the FPD. That's enough. You may think its cute, fun and games. Some people want racists fired, and exposed for what they are. And if you think that a racist can treat a person of another color with respect, I hope you're just a burger flipper somewhere and haven't an occupation that people are dependent upon you for your ability at critical thinking.
    You have met many people have you? Yes, racists of all colors have the capacity to treat others of any color with respect. With a little age and experience with people you'll discover that often folks are prejudice against a GROUP but still treat individuals they encounter in life with respect and friendship regardless.

    And the emails only prove that some officers find racist jokes funny, not that they are racist in general.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're misstating the issue completely. On one side we've got people blaming Holder and the DOJ for a report that revealed a completely dysfunctional and abusive police department. If you're read any of the report, the problems just are severe. One of the ones that stuck in my mind was when the boyfriend was at the scene of a car wreck where his girlfriend was badly injured and bleeding. When the cops arrived, they tried to get the boyfriend to back away, and he didn't or didn't do it fast enough, which is understandable - it's an emotional thing to see someone hurt and bleeding. So the cop then left the injured person, bleeding, arrested the kid, and charged him with FIVE infractions, and had his car towed and impounded. Several cases where women called the cops over domestic abuse, and during the investigation the WOMEN were ticketed for code violations. How willing are you to trust cops who come to investigate a crime against YOU and then give you a ticket?

    The point is it's not Holder's fault for putting this kind of systemic dysfunction into a report. Does that mean it's the "cops" fault that some asshole shot two of them? No. But it's not Holder's fault that his department revealed a troublesome environment at the police department that is tasked with public safety, not generating revenue off the backs of its citizens.

    And it's really not just a problem with Ferguson. I read a long article a while back and the entire area has too many little fiefdoms and they all need to pay for their own police, municipal government etc. and how they do it is through fines and penalties. And it just preys on the poor and gets them into downward spirals that are hard to emerge from, but the problem is the fines piled on penalties piled on warrants and court costs is a feature, not a bug, of how these little fiefdoms pay the bills.

    The other thing, and this isn't directed at anyone in particular, is it's just bizarre that the right wing has a general distrust for the government, and is I assume opposed to what would approach a police state. But the report on Ferguson is a picture of the worst kind of government abuse against its citizens, and a great many of the conservatives here are blaming the messenger instead of for once joining with liberals in condemning government abuse of power. It really is something that should unite all sides - there is no defense of it. I have to assume, and hope, that those making light of the report haven't read any of it. If you can read it and find any reason for the black community to trust the police in that town, I will be amazed.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Cops are required to follow a code of ethics not dependent upon what citizens think or do. Are you against that?
    No, they are required to follow the law. And they are charged with going after those who don't. Period. End of job description.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You don't read what you post? Heck I even quoted your post in my response. Let's see if you recognize these words:
    We don't know who the shooters are. They weren't protesters in front of the police station. They were sniping from a hill beyond.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry. If you're not a racist, and you treat everybody with respect when you engage them, regardless of their race, you have no worries. There's no special campaign against white cops, and your mischaracterizing the JD's report! Did you read the e-mails that were sent by some cops? Is that the scum that you want on the police force?
    It was not enough that the Department of Justice had exonerated former officer Darren Wilson. No...............the mob, told by President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder that Ferguson was still guilty of racism, wanted “justice.”

    The violence is the direct result of incitement by the federal government on the basis of trumped-up accusations, based on the faulty notion that a city that enforces traffic tickets vigorously as a means of raising revenue and the majority who live in Ferguson are black some how equates to great racist behavior.

    Racist emails discovered from a few employees implicated those individuals alone not the whole damn department. But nooooooooooooo Obama and Holder wanted more. They, and serial race baiter Al Sharpton, wanted the humiliation of the town, wanted the division of America to grow, wanted it to be clear that white public officials could never represent a black population.

    So here we are, a town burnt out by rage over a lie, and now cops being used for target practice. Those who instigated this are the biggest racists of all. It's 606 days till the next election. Building up race relations will not begin until this administration is gone.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How the **** do you know that. It was dark and they were shooting from a hill a distance from the scene. But besides that, there's nothing defensible about this shooting, regardless of the color of the uniforms these cops were wearing. Why are you making an issue of this?
    Protest was going on for how long? Because they were Protesting over the racial issues. Calling for Resignations. Moreover most of the Town knew St Louis County Sheriffs were called in and were standing guard outside the building. Along with other cops from other towns.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The report didn't detail attitudes, but acts. If you'd like to defend the acts outlined in the report that would be responsive to the issues being discussed. No one cares what their personal opinions were - it's how those opinions translated into deeds that is the subject of the DOJ report.
    I don't care about the report. If the Attorney General believes any of the city officials has violated federal laws, the Justice Department can prosecute them. This thread is about the shooting of two policemen, and nothing in the report could justify that crime.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You have met many people have you? Yes, racists of all colors have the capacity to treat others of any color with respect. With a little age and experience with people you'll discover that often folks are prejudice against a GROUP but still treat individuals they encounter in life with respect and friendship regardless.

    And the emails only prove that some officers find racist jokes funny, not that they are racist in general.
    Continue to justify racism, and let us all see what you are.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, they are required to follow the law. And they are charged with going after those who don't. Period. End of job description.
    Don't talk to me again until you have educated yourself!

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