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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I repeat.....

    Everyone.

    Sharpton is the pimple on the ass of this horror of a nightmare. Sharpton's are everywhere and have been with us since Biblical times, but HE is not the issue......just a pimple to be squeezed, the result of decades of corruption.

    Everyone. Including the people of Ferguson, not the black people, not the white people, but all the people who let this go on.....

    Read the original report.

    The elected representatives today, in this, should resign. It has been the pile of **** in their living room for decades and they've been buying perfume to cover it up. There is no base from which to rebuild, no one trusts anyone and blacks certainly do not trust whites and whites also have reason to distrust blacks. What you have it tribal law.

    Knowing the contents of that report, there is NO ONE in authority who can now say "gee, we had no idea...." it was in their lives not their faces. Anyone in a position of law enforcement, from Holder and, with this president, the Oval Office should have seen this when the riots broke out. It took all of six interviews to uncover a holy horror.

    I do not ever blame "the press" as in news media. As I have always said, "the press" gives you what you want to watch, and the nation watched all summer probably the highest ratings. What people do with that information, is up to them.

    Now the entertainment media, those so-called "journalists" who are really just TV personalities, have a lot to explain. We have indeed seen them dig in a make this a debate about right and left, black and white, just like this thread, reflecting the culture of America..

    I suggest anyone not wanting to be included in the blame, needs to start thinking in terms of the human cost, and what to do to fix this societal nightmare instead of prolonging the debate.....

    People are suffering, Americans......

    What you do about that is your culture. I would be wanting heads and fixes...NOW

    Well it does take Leadership doesn't it.....City Manger, Police Chief, a Judge, City Prosecutor, and Officers from the force. Shake up has been going on. BO has spoken out and Holder has. On the scene stops etc etc. Where was the Leadership again?

    Yeah the entertainment media.....which that's who I exactly meant. Not real reporting. This is what was released By DOJ. Over this incident....do you see anything about the injured? Calming tensions down?




    The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What I question and what I doubt that any report Holder issued is the lack of blame which can be placed on the community for breading an atmosphere where more police presence is required to keep the peace.
    The DoJ is not responsible for a communities "atmosphere". However, they do have a responsibility for monitoring police depts, particularly those with a history of racial discrimination.

    But you keep on pretending that the report was nothing but a compilation of statistics if it helps you maintain plausible deniability about the racist practices of the Ferguson PD

    Department of Justice report on the Ferguson, Mo. Police Department - The Washington Post
    in the summer of 2012, a
    32-year-old African-American man sat in his car cooling off after playing basketball in a
    Ferguson public park. An officer pulled up behind the man’s car, blocking him in, and
    demanded the man’s Social Security number and identification. Without any cause, the officer
    accused the man of being a pedophile, referring to the presence of children in the park, and
    ordered the man out of his car for a pat-down, although the officer had no reason to believe the
    man was armed. The officer also asked to search the man’s car. The man objected, citing his
    constitutional rights. In response, the officer arrested the man, reportedly at gunpoint, charging
    him with eight violations of Ferguson’s municipal code. One charge, Making a False
    Declaration, was for initially providing the short form of his first name (e.g., “Mike” instead of
    “Michael”), and an address which, although legitimate, was different from the one on his driver’s
    license. Another charge was for not wearing a seat belt, even though he was seated in a parked
    car. The officer also charged the man both with having an expired operator’s license, and with
    having no operator’s license in his possession. The man told us that, because of these charges,
    he lost his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had held for years.
    we discovered
    emails circulated by police supervisors and court staff that stereotype racial minorities as
    criminals, including one email that joked about an abortion by an African-American woman
    being a means of crime control.
    For example, in July 2013 police encountered an African-American man in a parking lot
    while on their way to arrest someone else at an apartment building. Police knew that the
    encountered man was not the person they had come to arrest. Nonetheless, without even
    reasonable suspicion, they handcuffed the man, placed him in the back of a patrol car, and ran his
    record. It turned out he was the intended arrestee’s landlord. The landlord went on to help the
    police enter the person’s unit to effect the arrest, but he later filed a complaint alleging racial
    discrimination and unlawful detention. Ignoring the central fact that they had handcuffed a man
    and put him in a police car despite having no reason to believe he had done anything wrong, a
    sergeant vigorously defended FPD’s actions, characterizing the detention as “minimal” and
    pointing out that the car was air conditioned. Even temporary detention, however, constitutes a
    deprivation of liberty and must be justified under the Fourth Amendment. Whren v. United
    States, 517 U.S. 806, 809-10 (1996).
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The DoJ is not responsible for a communities "atmosphere". However, they do have a responsibility for monitoring police depts, particularly those with a history of racial discrimination.
    Can you provide where in the DoJ charter or responsibilities the DoJ has responsibility for monitoring State or Local police departments?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    So to wrongs make a right. How does 2 cops getting shot, make everything a corrupt police force did, right. Violence has a way of escalating. What if the shooter was a skin head. Last i heard they were killing cops also.

    Its sad when cops get shot, most people don't like to see this. Black, White, Right & Left. But it does in no way, make the Ferguson Police right or just for what they did.

    It takes 2 to fight & argue.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Can you provide where in the DoJ charter or responsibilities the DoJ has responsibility for monitoring State or Local police departments?
    USDOJ: Civil Rights Division: About the division
    Purpose of the Federal Coordination and Compliance

    The Department of Justice is a major provider of federal financial assistance. Under agreements reached with several Department of Justice funding components, Section investigators and attorneys conduct administrative investigations of selected complaints of discrimination by their recipients. Complaints are investigated, under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the nondiscrimination provision of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act. These recipients include state and local law enforcement agencies, courts, corrections systems, juvenile justice systems, and a variety of non-governmental entities.

    The Section seeks case resolutions through the use of alternative dispute resolution techniques, if appropriate, in lieu of full field investigations. In other cases, investigations may result in the issuance of formal findings of compliance or non-compliance. If voluntary compliance cannot be achieved where non-compliance is found, the Section refers the case to the appropriate Division Section for litigation or, in cooperation with the appropriate funding component within the Department, seeks to terminate the federal financial assistance through an administrative hearing.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    " of selected complaints of discrimination by their recipients."

    So factually, the DoJ doesn't monitor State or local police departments unless a.) there is a complaint filed and b.) the complaint is selected by the DoJ.


    Thanks
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well it does take Leadership doesn't it.....City Manger, Police Chief, a Judge, City Prosecutor, and Officers from the force. Shake up has been going on. BO has spoken out and Holder has. On the scene stops etc etc. Where was the Leadership again?

    Yeah the entertainment media.....which that's who I exactly meant. Not real reporting. This is what was released By DOJ. Over this incident....do you see anything about the injured? Calming tensions down?




    The acting head of the Justice Department's civil rights division released a statement saying the U.S. government remains committed to reaching a "court-enforceable agreement" to address Ferguson's "unconstitutional practices," regardless of who's in charge of the city......snip~
    Like I say, Everyone and it has to start at the top.

    But look, race is only an issue because racism is what triggered the original riot....it was not about a big kid walking in the middle of the street, it was about years of pent up fury...it was evident then.....and what did everyone do...?

    Brought in military hardware.

    Now I ask you in return, who among this forum was with me when I said that was a mistake and would only heighten tensions? Not many, but here we are again, the report is out, and from Obama on down to the street cop it's get heavy and stomp them.

    There no answers anywhere, there is no "leadership" or even a call for said, but two sides still arrayed against each other calling for reinforcements. In all the reading of posts on this, we see little call for anything but the same old "they started it" and the age old race arguments.

    As the blame game has been going on for decades, it doesn't appear anyone wants peace, just to be right. The real sad point is if a Mohatma Gandhi were to surface I suspect he would be stoned to death by both sides.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by kjwins View Post
    So to wrongs make a right. How does 2 cops getting shot, make everything a corrupt police force did, right. Violence has a way of escalating. What if the shooter was a skin head. Last i heard they were killing cops also.

    Its sad when cops get shot, most people don't like to see this. Black, White, Right & Left. But it does in no way, make the Ferguson Police right or just for what they did.

    It takes 2 to fight & argue.
    It does, and you are right. At the end of the day, the unfortunate reality is that it take a lot of violence before the people whose apathy enable the broken status quo will be open to change. Until then, we will see the same pattern of behaviors, rationalizations, etc, over and over and over again from all sides.
    If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We'll never be rescued.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Update: Good news both Officers released from the Hospital. 36 mins ago.


    (Reuters) - The two police officers who were shot in Ferguson, Missouri, during protests have been released from the hospital, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman told Reuters on Thursday.....snip~


    Police shot in Ferguson, Missouri, released from hospital

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