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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Man, if these people bothered to get freaking jobs they wouldn't be out all night causing trouble in the street.
    No way man.....we got the grill going and we be crowing. Its 2am donchaknow!

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And Holder is to blame because he exposed them for what the police force did wrong in that town?

    The white (and to some extent also the black) police officers act like a bunch of KKK wannabee cops and an investigation proves the racist nature of that police force and then this is all Holder's fault?

    Sorry, but the investigation into the shooting of Brown cleared the officer so that toxic situation was solved by Holder. But Holder cannot be to blame for the fact that the police there is racist.

    If there is a toxic situation it is one for blacks in that community due to some idiot cops.

    Example, a 32 year old African American man who just played a game of basketball is sitting in his car cooling down from the game that he and friends played in a public park in Ferguson. Then a cop car pulls up behind the man blocking his car. He demands the man's social security number and identification. Without any cause or reason the officer accuses the 32 year old of being a pedophile (because there happen to be kids in the park) and orders the man out of his car for a pat-down (even though there was no evidence to suggest the 32 year old was armed). The officer asks to search the car, the man who knows his constitutional right objected, with the result that he was arrested. This arrest, reportedly, took place at gunpoint. The man was charged with 8 violations of Ferguson's municipal code's.

    One of those charges is "making a false declaration" by stating that his name was Mike rather than Michael and giving his current address rather than his old address which was on his drivers license. He also got a ticket for not having his seat belt on when he was sitting in a parking spot with no car on. The man was also charged with having an expired operators license as well as having no operators license. The charges caused African American male to loose his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had been holding down for years.

    other example:

    March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers “Why do you need to know?” and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest.

    other example:

    In 2013, FPD stopped a man running with a shopping cart because he seemed “suspicious.” According to the file, the man was “obviously mentally handicapped.” Officers took the man to the ground and attempted to arrest him for Failure to Comply after he refused to submit to a pat-down. In the officers’ view, the man resisted arrest by pulling his arms away. The officers drive-stunned him in the side of the neck. They charged him only with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest. In August 2011, officers used an ECW device against a man with diabetes who bit an EMT’s hand without breaking the skin. The man had been having seizures when he did not comply with officer commands.

    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    This is what caused the problems and the toxic atmosphere. The behavior of the police in that town is the reason for the problems, not the report or Holder.
    And we're back to blaming the cops, and with the clear support of someone who said earlier that it wasn't the cop's fault. Weird.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    How much do you think the NRA should take the blame? This is, after all, what they have defended guns with for years--people rising up against government.
    Mornin Declan. Did the NRA get out and speak on Race Relations with this issue over Ferguson?

    My thought with the NRA.....is they would be playing for both sides. Backing Law Enforcement and Peoples Constitutional Right. Just sayin.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Neat. I didn't blame Holder for this.


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    Frankly, I think these death are Holder's fault.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Does Eric Holder have an alibi?

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yes, and so far I'm the only one who has expressed such "rage" against the actual shooter, crazy huh?
    Didn't you just "like" a post concluding how what occurred here is the police's doing?

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like Town Officials are resigning. Including those that weren't accused of racism.

    Yet we have a cop shot in the face from another town and a County Sherriff......who wears a different colored Uniform than those of Ferguson. Protests going on at 2am in the morning.

    Even people out using a barbecue.


    How much do you think Sharpton and the Press should take the Blame.....with the racist Cops, and most especially.....Eric Holder.


    I repeat.....

    Everyone.

    Sharpton is the pimple on the ass of this horror of a nightmare. Sharpton's are everywhere and have been with us since Biblical times, but HE is not the issue......just a pimple to be squeezed, the result of decades of corruption.

    Everyone. Including the people of Ferguson, not the black people, not the white people, but all the people who let this go on.....

    Read the original report.

    The elected representatives today, in this, should resign. It has been the pile of **** in their living room for decades and they've been buying perfume to cover it up. There is no base from which to rebuild, no one trusts anyone and blacks certainly do not trust whites and whites also have reason to distrust blacks. What you have it tribal law.

    Knowing the contents of that report, there is NO ONE in authority who can now say "gee, we had no idea...." it was in their lives not their faces. Anyone in a position of law enforcement, from Holder and, with this president, the Oval Office should have seen this when the riots broke out. It took all of six interviews to uncover a holy horror.

    I do not ever blame "the press" as in news media. As I have always said, "the press" gives you what you want to watch, and the nation watched all summer probably the highest ratings. What people do with that information, is up to them.

    Now the entertainment media, those so-called "journalists" who are really just TV personalities, have a lot to explain. We have indeed seen them dig in a make this a debate about right and left, black and white, just like this thread, reflecting the culture of America..

    I suggest anyone not wanting to be included in the blame, needs to start thinking in terms of the human cost, and what to do to fix this societal nightmare instead of prolonging the debate.....

    People are suffering, Americans......

    What you do about that is your culture. I would be wanting heads and fixes...NOW
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    from the report
    First, let me say that I don't trust Holder's judgement. No doubt his report correctly tallied numbers of stops and incidents. No doubt that stops were weighted toward people of color. I do doubt that the report addressed socioeconomic factors pertaining to the stops. Ferguson, from news reports I have heard has a higher than average black population. Black communities are often underserved both educationally and economically leading to frustrations that often manifest themselves with higher than normal crime rates per capita. Black communities are often more segregated. Some of this is economic segregation and some is due to the fact that black neighborhoods grow because families familiar with their home neighborhoods and those neighborhoods being more comfortable because of their familiarity. What I question and what I doubt that any report Holder issued is the lack of blame which can be placed on the community for breading an atmosphere where more police presence is required to keep the peace. He was looking for fault with the police department and he found it using statistics which are born from a deeper problem in the community itself.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Frankly, I think these death are Holder's fault. I know I'll get attacked by the race baiters, but his insistance on making sure racism was injected into his post report comments are directly related to their deaths in my views.
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    Yes, you will be attacked. I expect to be too. I don't care.
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    You're both pieces of **** and I can't wait until idiots like you are relegated to the margins of society.
    I would happen to agree. Activist Attorney General at his best.

    Rather than the blind lady of Justice, we have an Attorney General that views himself as an activist for minorities, well, his DOJ did what it did, and it didn't make it any better, or ease any racial tensions, and it could be reasonably argued that it made them worse than what they needed to be.

    And now people are bandying about unsubstantiated nasty names for observing the mere facts of the case. Must be a leftist position that.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Didn't you just "like" a post concluding how what occurred here is the police's doing?
    No, that post outlined the report and questioned Holders responsibility. It concluded that factors like behavior outlined in the report caused the problems and toxic atmosphere in the town, not Holder. Point out exactly where it said the actual shooting was the police's doing.
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