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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is anyone surprised this happened? I'm not.

    I see they're resigning in droves in Ferguson, from the Chief on down. Personally I can't understand why any white person would take a job as a cop there anymore. It's a poisonous atmosphere. Let them set up an all-black force and I'm sure their crime problems will simply disappear.

    Holder. Unbelievable.
    And Holder is to blame because he exposed them for what the police force did wrong in that town?

    The white (and to some extent also the black) police officers act like a bunch of KKK wannabee cops and an investigation proves the racist nature of that police force and then this is all Holder's fault?

    Sorry, but the investigation into the shooting of Brown cleared the officer so that toxic situation was solved by Holder. But Holder cannot be to blame for the fact that the police there is racist.

    If there is a toxic situation it is one for blacks in that community due to some idiot cops.

    Example, a 32 year old African American man who just played a game of basketball is sitting in his car cooling down from the game that he and friends played in a public park in Ferguson. Then a cop car pulls up behind the man blocking his car. He demands the man's social security number and identification. Without any cause or reason the officer accuses the 32 year old of being a pedophile (because there happen to be kids in the park) and orders the man out of his car for a pat-down (even though there was no evidence to suggest the 32 year old was armed). The officer asks to search the car, the man who knows his constitutional right objected, with the result that he was arrested. This arrest, reportedly, took place at gunpoint. The man was charged with 8 violations of Ferguson's municipal code's.

    One of those charges is "making a false declaration" by stating that his name was Mike rather than Michael and giving his current address rather than his old address which was on his drivers license. He also got a ticket for not having his seat belt on when he was sitting in a parking spot with no car on. The man was also charged with having an expired operators license as well as having no operators license. The charges caused African American male to loose his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had been holding down for years.

    other example:

    March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers “Why do you need to know?” and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest.

    other example:

    In 2013, FPD stopped a man running with a shopping cart because he seemed “suspicious.” According to the file, the man was “obviously mentally handicapped.” Officers took the man to the ground and attempted to arrest him for Failure to Comply after he refused to submit to a pat-down. In the officers’ view, the man resisted arrest by pulling his arms away. The officers drive-stunned him in the side of the neck. They charged him only with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest. In August 2011, officers used an ECW device against a man with diabetes who bit an EMT’s hand without breaking the skin. The man had been having seizures when he did not comply with officer commands.

    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    This is what caused the problems and the toxic atmosphere. The behavior of the police in that town is the reason for the problems, not the report or Holder.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When you treat people like animals for long enough, it's what they become.
    This isn't the 60's. And race relations had come a very long way since then until about 6 years ago. Unemployment rate in black communities has doubled than the rest of the country. Today among blacks 70% of all babies are born to single mothers. This naturally creates a problem with poverty. It is these locations pushers and pimps seek out to build their clientele. A lot of their problems are self inflicted.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nobodies teaching anybody that cops are enemies. Holders report concludes that there are some problems in law enforcement, that there are some bad actors in law enforcement, and that it needs to be dealt with.

    Seven e-mails from the JD's report.

    November 2008: An e-mail said President Obama would not be president for very long because “what black man holds a steady job for four years.”

    March 2010: An e-mail mocked African Americans through a story involving child support. One line from the e-mail read: “I be so glad that dis be my last child support payment! Month after month, year after year, all dose payments!”

    April 2011: An e-mail depicted Obama as a chimpanzee.

    May 2011: An e-mail said: “An African-American woman in New Orleans was admitted into the hospital for a pregnancy termination. Two weeks later she received a check for $5,000. She phoned the hospital to ask who it was from. The hospital said, ‘Crimestoppers.’”

    June 2011: An e-mail described a man seeking to obtain “welfare” for his dogs because they are “mixed in color, unemployed, lazy, can’t speak English and have no frigging clue who their Daddies are.”

    October 2011: An e-mail included a photo of a group of bare-chested women dancing, seemingly in Africa, with the caption, “Michelle Obama’s High School Reunion.”

    December 2011: An e-mail included jokes that are based on offensive stereotypes about Muslims.
    I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.

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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    What comments of his were irresponsible?
    First they announced that Wilson was off the hook, which probably pissed off some people. Then they immediate announced the report results of systematic racism in the police department...............that was irresponsible. He should have known the risk of doing that.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This isn't the 60's. And race relations had come a very long way since then until about 6 years ago. Unemployment rate in black communities has doubled than the rest of the country. Today among blacks 70% of all babies are born to single mothers. This naturally creates a problem with poverty. It is these locations pushers and pimps seek out to build their clientele. A lot of their problems are self inflicted.
    And yet the Justice Department's report of the Ferguson Police department seems to say something different.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The shooting is absolutely unnacceptable, those at fault must be found and brought to justice. But I think the actual behavior of citizen and cop drove the situation further than the comments of some politician. The report about the Ferguson police department was rather damning and it seems they weren’t, on whole, acting appropriately toward the people. The people similarly have behaved badly and lashed out in inexcusable violence. I think it’s easy to just point a finger at one guy, but I think that’s also a gross oversimplification of the complex dynamics of this system. And if we really want to solve the problem, we must examine the actual cause and effect relationships that have led us to this point.
    I have no problem with the report, I have a problem with Holder's timing. He was throwing out a bone to the race baiters.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No. My preference would be that the ferguson police department purge itself of its racist elements, and begin to rebuild their relationship with the community. Your own racism is squeezing out the cracks of your posts!
    Oh please. Come down from the excessive politically correct pedestal already.
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And Holder is to blame because he exposed them for what the police force did wrong in that town?

    The white (and to some extent also the black) police officers act like a bunch of KKK wannabee cops and an investigation proves the racist nature of that police force and then this is all Holder's fault?

    Sorry, but the investigation into the shooting of Brown cleared the officer so that toxic situation was solved by Holder. But Holder cannot be to blame for the fact that the police there is racist.

    If there is a toxic situation it is one for blacks in that community due to some idiot cops.

    Example, a 32 year old African American man who just played a game of basketball is sitting in his car cooling down from the game that he and friends played in a public park in Ferguson. Then a cop car pulls up behind the man blocking his car. He demands the man's social security number and identification. Without any cause or reason the officer accuses the 32 year old of being a pedophile (because there happen to be kids in the park) and orders the man out of his car for a pat-down (even though there was no evidence to suggest the 32 year old was armed). The officer asks to search the car, the man who knows his constitutional right objected, with the result that he was arrested. This arrest, reportedly, took place at gunpoint. The man was charged with 8 violations of Ferguson's municipal code's.

    One of those charges is "making a false declaration" by stating that his name was Mike rather than Michael and giving his current address rather than his old address which was on his drivers license. He also got a ticket for not having his seat belt on when he was sitting in a parking spot with no car on. The man was also charged with having an expired operators license as well as having no operators license. The charges caused African
    American male to loose his job as a contractor with the federal government that he had been holding down for years.

    other example:

    March 2013, officers responded to the police station to take custody of a person wanted on a state warrant. When they arrived, they encountered a different man—not the subject of the warrant—who happened to be leaving the station. Having nothing to connect the man to the warrant subject, other than his presence at the station, the officers nonetheless stopped him and asked that he identify himself. The man asserted his rights, asking the officers “Why do you need to know?” and declining to be frisked. When the man then extended his identification toward the officers, at their request, the officers interpreted his hand motion as an attempted assault and took him to the ground. Without articulating reasonable suspicion or any other justification for the initial detention, the officers arrested the man on two counts of Failure to Comply and two counts of Resisting Arrest.

    other example:

    In 2013, FPD stopped a man running with a shopping cart because he seemed “suspicious.” According to the file, the man was “obviously mentally handicapped.” Officers took the man to the ground and attempted to arrest him for Failure to Comply after he refused to submit to a pat-down. In the officers’ view, the man resisted arrest by pulling his arms away. The officers drive-stunned him in the side of the neck. They charged him only with Failure to Comply and Resisting Arrest. In August 2011, officers used an ECW device against a man with diabetes who bit an EMT’s hand without breaking the skin. The man had been having seizures when he did not comply with officer commands.

    etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

    This is what caused the problems and the toxic atmosphere. The behavior of the police in that town is the reason for the problems, not the report or Holder.
    Yes, you're right. So remove all these KKK wannabes, and the problem is solved in Ferguson. What is Holder waiting for?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I like how 7 emails pulled from at least 3 years ago, potentially all from the same person, prejudices people against an entire department. I give the DoJ an A+ in regards to being fair and just towards all the employees of the police department that either weren't included or didn't appreciate those jokes at the time.
    Wait...what other emails were in that report? 5 from 2011, 1 from 2010, and 1 from 2008. Are there more?
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    Re: 2 Officers Are Shot Outside Ferguson Police Station

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Unless I am mistaken, the most damning revelation to come out of Holder's report was that the Ferguson police department was basically "fund raising" by excessively ticketing people for various minor violations of the law and this practice was disproportionately effecting blacks. Makes perfect sense if the practice was being carried out in predominately black neighborhoods, I guess. If this really was happening I can understand why the residents would be upset.

    I think Holder put himself in a very bad position right out of the gates by some of his statements which seemed to indict the officer who shot Micheal Brown before all of the facts were known. He gave the appearance not of someone who was interested in justice, but of someone rushing to judgement for the purposes of furthering an agenda. He created that perception of himself so now it is very easy for people to question his motives for including what basically amounts to an indictment of the Ferguson Police Department for activities completely unrelated to the original event. I have to admit that it does seem odd to read about excessive citations in a report that was supposed to be about a shooting...


    Mornin Jack. Well I did notice not many want to pull out his speeches and what All Holder has said on Race and Profiling. Yet for some reason some think he has no part in this.

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