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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    The OP mentioned Russian Imperialist Expansionism. USA has similar ambitions using economic threats.
    Ah yes, because trade sanctions are exactly the same as invading your neighbors and annexing their territory and then proceeding to commit ethnic cleansing on said territory.

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I could give a **** about international law when the vast majority (well over 80%) of a region vote to leave their country. Canada allows it's provinces to leave with only a referendum vote of about 65%...the referendum in the Crimea was over 80% to join Russia.
    If you believe that 97% of the Crimea which only has a 60% ethnic Russian population voted for annexation by Russia then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

    Furthermore; the annexation referendum was conducted under military occupation, through a foreign installed occupation government, was in violation of both the Crimean and Ukrainian Constitutions, and has been condemned as illegal by the UNGA and the UNSC, only the Russian veto on prevented the unanimous passing of the latter.


    And Putin was smart to deploy his troops as he did...and I guarantee you it saved lives since he did not allow Ukraine to fight for the land - as it is doing in the Donetsk region. The Ukraine is willing to kill it's own citizens rather then let them leave even when the vast majority of that region's citizen's vote to leave (like they also did in the Donetsk region).
    Oh freaking spare us Russian backed terrorists turned Donetsk into an armed camp ruled by fear, terror, kidnappings of politicians, journalists, and human rights activists, and the mass murder of civilians including those who refused to fight against their fellow Ukrainians, and now in the Crimea we have overt ethnic cleansing of ethnic Ukrainians.

    “We are talking of a reign of fear, if not of terror” in the pockets of territory around Donetsk and Luhansk controlled by armed separatists and now experiencing a state of total lawlessness, Mr. Magazzeni said, citing cases of people shot at checkpoints for no reason and members of armed groups who were summarily shot because they no longer wanted to fight.

    “The escalation in criminal activity resulting in human rights abuses is no longer limited to targeting journalists, elected representatives, local politicians, civil servants and civil society activists,” the report stated. “Abductions, detentions, acts of ill-treatment and torture, and killings by armed groups are now affecting the broader population of the two eastern regions.”

    The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

    “They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/wo...aine.html?_r=0

    Their "declaration of independence" has as much legitimacy as that of ISIL's declaration of an Islamic State in the Levant, IE none whatsoever.

    Furthermore; Donetsk and Luhansk have majority ethnic Ukrainian population:


    According to the (2001 census), the ethnic makeup of Crimea's population consists of the following self-reported groups: Russians:1.18 million (58.3%), Ukrainians: 492,200 (24.3%), Crimean Tatars: 243,400 (12.0%), Belarusians: 29,200 (1.4%), other Tatars: 11,000 (0.5%), Armenians: 8,7000 (0.4%).[4]

    Demographics of Crimea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    At the 2001 Ukrainian National Census, the ethnic groups within the Donetsk Oblast were: Ukrainians – 2,744,100 (56.9%), Russians – 1,844,400 (38.2%), Pontic Greeks – 77,500 (1.6%), Belarusians – 44,500 (0.9%), others (2.3%).[9]

    Donetsk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The population is largely Russian-speaking, although ethnic Ukrainians constitute a majority (58.0%). Among the minorities are native Russians (39.1%), Belarusians (0.8%), and others (1.4%).

    Luhansk Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If you believe that 97% of the Crimea which only has a 60% ethnic Russian population and 90% of Donetsk which actually has an ethnic Ukrainian majority voted for annexation by Russia then I have a great deal for you on a bridge I own in Brooklyn.

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Putin is a pig. But the Kiev government is at least as bad in this case and far, far more stupid. They illegally overthrew a government that was legally elected and all those knuckle heads had to do was wait a few months for the next scheduled elections to throw the guy out. But no, these idiots could not wait and look what the result is...Ukraine is a mess.
    The duly elected Ukrainian parliament voted to oust Yanukovych, even his own party disowned the criminal.

    The dAnd America are WAY worse then Russia in terms of killing people. They have killed thousands of innocent civilians over the last 12 years. Overthrown regimes whenever they felt like it. Supported horrible regimes like the one in Saudi Arabia (which beheads FAR more people then ISIS).
    The last time I checked it is Russia not the US which has committed ethnic cleansing in the territories they occupy, furthermore, the majority of civilian deaths came at the hands of the people the US was fighting. As to Saudi Arabia the RF supports regimes just as bad (see Iran, North Korea, Syria et al), hell in terms of tyrannical regimes the Russian Federation ranks pretty low on the press freedom index itself.

    They commit technical acts of war by bombing countries with drone strikes. They detain innocent people for years without charge. Sure, Russia has done wrong. But compared to them, America hais done WAY worse.
    lol, please don't lecture the US on our judicial system when you're attempting to use it to defend Russia, the two do not compare.

    And save your answer, I have NO respect for you on this subject and could care less what your closed minded response is.
    I have no respect for payed Russian trolls claiming to be from the West.

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Putin is an internationally condemned war criminal, the Ukraine was not Russia's enemy and never threatened their base in the Crimea, and the assertions regarding protection of ethnic Russians is just as laughable as Hitler's claim that the invasions of Poland and greater Czechoslovakia were to protect German minorities.
    What international body condemned Putin so?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Not really. The expansion into the West was not imperial in the normal sense of the word and after some early flirting with the idea and experimentation the US seems to have decided that it was not what the US is about. All you might say is that the US has been a hegemonistic culture due to its dynamism, size and commitment to the democracy and free trade. But that is not a bad thing.
    What did the US lift off of Spain at the conclusion of the Spanish American war?

    As you can see, even seventh graders are taught about American imperialism!!!

    THE BEGINNING OF US IMPERIALISM AND THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR
    Grade Level: Presented By:
    Length of Unit:
    Seventh Grade
    Ember Babcock, Todd Craig, and Christian Shute, Academy of Charter Schools, Denver, CO
    Five Lessons
    I. ABSTRACT
    A. This seventh grade history unit focuses on the people and events involved in the Spanish-
    American war and how it transformed the United States into an imperialistic world
    power.
    Students shall understand and conceptualize the reasons for the war, the main events and battles of the war, and how the results affected the United States’ role in world politics.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    I really hate having to repeat myself, going back to 1898 for your example proves nothing about today.
    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Ah yes, because trade sanctions are exactly the same as invading your neighbors and annexing their territory and then proceeding to commit ethnic cleansing on said territory.
    These days you don't need physical military in colonised lands. You can do the same using violent threats, political pressure and sanctions. The US has appointed itself the global leader and policeman. The entire civilized world is America's colony.

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What did the US lift off of Spain at the conclusion of the Spanish American war?

    As you can see, even seventh graders are taught about American imperialism!!!

    THE BEGINNING OF US IMPERIALISM AND THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR
    Grade Level: Presented By:
    Length of Unit:
    Seventh Grade
    Ember Babcock, Todd Craig, and Christian Shute, Academy of Charter Schools, Denver, CO
    Five Lessons
    I. ABSTRACT
    A. This seventh grade history unit focuses on the people and events involved in the Spanish-
    American war and how it transformed the United States into an imperialistic world
    power.
    Students shall understand and conceptualize the reasons for the war, the main events and battles of the war, and how the results affected the United States’ role in world politics.
    That does not conflict with what i said, you know?

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That does not conflict with what i said, you know?
    Posts can be supportive you know?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    These days you don't need physical military in colonised lands. You can do the same using violent threats, political pressure and sanctions. The US has appointed itself the global leader and policeman. The entire civilized world is America's colony.
    Indeed!

    im·pe·ri·al·ism
    imˈpirēəˌlizəm/
    noun
    a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Putin awards medal to chief suspect in Litvinenko murder

    Four pages in and so far not a thing about Putin awarding Litvinenko's poisoner an award in the OP

    Instead just the usual suspects ranting on about the historic iniquities of the US either real or imagined .... ho hum

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