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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Torture will always be a relevant issue, whether you choose to deny it or not. Same with mass surveillance. Maybe you can accept these things, but most people can't.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course it hurts Americans, as it does every time the government steps on civil liberties.
    True, but more importantly, it hurts the rule of law. It violates the spirit and letter of the US Constitution.

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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

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    Did you vote for Obama?
    No, but thanks for playing.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    No, but thanks for playing.
    I think the issue has been settled, unless Obama is still torturing people.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    True, but more importantly, it hurts the rule of law. It violates the spirit and letter of the US Constitution.
    You get no disagreement from me on that.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think the issue has been settled, unless Obama is still torturing people.
    Maybe, and they definitely aren't prosecuting those who did torture. It's sickening, as it the willingness of the most base and vile among us to simply forget about these things.

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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Maybe, and they definitely aren't prosecuting those who did torture. It's sickening, as it the willingness of the most base and vile among us to simply forget about these things.
    Your personal attack was unnecessary.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Interesting angle to attack it on. I do hope that they will win, and someday these unwarranted, vast intelligence operation(s) are shut down.
    2 things here.

    1: Considering the names listed there SCOTUS might actually not turn this away. Those are not some minor league names there. And frankly, I hope to hell they win.

    2: I always hated the fact that you have to prove personal harm in order to have a case brought before SCOTUS. There are lots of laws out there that probably wouldn't exists if that were not the case. But if the government can in any way shape or form make a law that can be extremely difficult to prove "harm" on they will do it. Because then it never gets taken before SCOTUS.
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Compared to torture this is utterly insignificant. Get your priorities in order.
    Compared to nuking a city torture is utterly insignificant. What's your point?
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    Re: ACLU: Snowden Proved NSA Internet Spying Harms Americans

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Compared to nuking a city torture is utterly insignificant. What's your point?
    That's not true. Both are crimes agains humanity. Whereas of privacy is a whiny little first world problem.

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