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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

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Ockham said:
It is when that Shiite leader is left to their own devices and starts oppressing Sunni's.

Obama did, both before and after. Remember the pleas for help in Syria and the "Assad must go"? That one was a good one!
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Assad or ISIS? Your choice.
 
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Moot said:
Iraq was never a democratic regime not even after US tried to force it to be one with that election. The US put the Shiite majority in power and they immediately started oppressing the Sunni minority...some even called it a sectarian civil war. Gee, who didn't see that coming?


"... According to the Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace, Iraq was one of the world's top 5 unstable states from 2005 to 2008.[29] A poll of top U.S. foreign policy experts conducted in 2007 showed that over the next 10 years, just 3% of experts believed the U.S. would be able to rebuild Iraq into a "beacon of democracy" and 58% of experts believed that Sunni–Shiite tensions would dramatically increase in the Middle East.[30][31]....

A multitude of groups formed the Iraqi insurgency, which arose in a piecemeal fashion as a reaction to local events, notably the realization of the U.S. military’s inability to control Iraq.[33]

Beginning in 2005 the insurgent forces coalesced around several main factions, including the Islamic Army in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunna.[34] Religious justification was used to support the political actions of these groups, as well as a marked adherence to Salafism, branding those against the jihad as non-believers. This approach played a role in the rise of sectarian violence.[35] The U.S. military also believe that between 5-10% of insurgent forces are non-Iraqi Arabs.[33]..."

Civil war in Iraq (2006​
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All rendered obsolete by the 2007-2008 Surge.
 
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Jack Hays said:
All rendered obsolete by the 2007 Surge.
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Actually, the 2007 surge has been debunked...turns out it was the ethnic cleansing of entire neighborhoods just prior to the surge that was responsible for the reduced violence...

"...Furthermore, the nighttime light signature of Baghdad data when matched with ground data provided by the report to the US Congress by Marine Corps General Jones and various other sources, makes it clear that the diminished level of violence in Iraq since the onset of the surge owes much to a vicious process of interethnic cleansing."2..."

The Surge "Success" Debunked*|*Luis Carlos Montalván​
 
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Moot said:
Actually, the 2007 surge has been debunked...turns out it was the ethnic cleansing of entire neighborhoods just prior to the surge that was responsible for the reduced violence...
"...Furthermore, the nighttime light signature of Baghdad data when matched with ground data provided by the report to the US Congress by Marine Corps General Jones and various other sources, makes it clear that the diminished level of violence in Iraq since the onset of the surge owes much to a vicious process of interethnic cleansing."2..."

The Surge "Success" Debunked*|*Luis Carlos Montalván​
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Sorry, but that's counterfactual nonsense.
 
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Moot said:
A Shiite leader, elected by the majority Shiite exercising power and oppression over the Sunni minority...isn't a power vacume...in fact, it's quite the opposite. A sectarian civil war, gee, who didn't see that coming?
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Barack Obama.
 
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Grant said:
Barack Obama.
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As candidate, Obama said he thought the invasion was a mistake which suggests that he did see it coming.
 
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Moot said:
As candidate, Obama said he thought the invasion was a mistake which suggests that he did see it coming.
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so he let it occur with full knowledge it would happen?

well, that's not very bright.
 
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Jack Hays said:
His point had nothing whatsoever to do with what is or is not in the terms under discussion, but rather with political skill.
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But **** his political skill. If he doesn't know that commenting on something he hasn't seen makes him look stupid, then his perceived skills are moot.
 
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iliveonramen said:
I would say it's a problem except that the agreement is still being hammered out. It's an active negotiation between Iran and 6 other countries.
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So? Are you saying that if the President, or SoS that they can bypass congress in any deal that this is acceptable?
 
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Thrilla said:
so he let it occur with full knowledge it would happen?

well, that's not very bright.
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He wasn't the president. Doh.
 
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Montecresto said:
Then just bomb the **** out of them and be done with it.
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Why must you go from one extreme to another? Are those the only two options you see? When you got frustrated playing a game as a child, did you just turn the board over and pronounce that playing it was stupid anyway?
 
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Jack Hays said:
Iraq was always going to have a Shia government under any democratic regime. That's no more a policy choice than the Sun rising in the east. As for the Sunni insurgents, they were largely erased by the Surge in 2007 (and Zarqawi had already been killed). It was the surprising full withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 and the failure to support the Syrian opposition in early 2012 that created the space for ISIS.
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Repeating that lie is not going to help. Iraq would never have had a Shia government while Hussein was there. You have always supported a loosing republican agenda, and your freaky civil war era avatar diminishes your stature.
 
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j-mac said:
Why must you go from one extreme to another? Are those the only two options you see? When you got frustrated playing a game as a child, did you just turn the board over and pronounce that playing it was stupid anyway?
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Tell me what your middle ground is Peter.
 
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Montecresto said:
Tell me what your middle ground is Peter.
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Don't know who Peter is, unless that is another childish way for you to call me some name....In any case, tougher sanctions, until the people raise up against the dictators that rule that place and are leading them down a road to destruction...Oh, and when they do, we need to man up and support them this time.
 
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j-mac said:
Don't know who Peter is, unless that is another childish way for you to call me some name....In any case, tougher sanctions, until the people raise up against the dictators that rule that place and are leading them down a road to destruction...Oh, and when they do, we need to man up and support them this time.
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No. Iran is not your business, try as you will.
 
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Montecresto said:
No. Iran is not your business, try as you will.
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Oh, but it is....They made it so, by threatening us, then moving toward acquiring the means to carry out that threat.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Ockham said:
It is when that Shiite leader is left to their own devices and starts oppressing Sunni's.

Obama did, both before and after. Remember the pleas for help in Syria and the "Assad must go"? That one was a good one!
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LOL So that was Bush's plan? To install a sectarian terrorist and Iranian puppet as President thereby guaranteeing that we would need to babysit in Iraq forever? Tha tis the "inteligence" you want from a President? The only chance for a stable and united Iraq was to get rid of Maliki and Obama has made that happen. The Iraqi's are poised to take back Tikrit from ISIS and the new President is making peace with the Sunni tribes. This is the progress Iraq needs.
 
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Thrilla said:
he was when we pulled out...Doh!
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You mean kicked out don't you? Malaki made it quite clear that we were not welcome. He refused to get the parliment to pass a SOFA.
 
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iguanaman said:
You mean kicked out don't you? Malaki made it quite clear that we were not welcome. He refused to get the parliment to pass a SOFA.
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Yes, and everyone knows how very much Obama wanted that agreement....Right? I mean he tried so awfully hard to get it in place before the pull out....:roll:
 
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eohrnberger said:
No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.
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No, I think there is just an irrational hatred of Obama that has little merit. There are always points of disagreement, but nothing that warrants the silliness his detractors embrace. Republicans should be criticized. What they did was wrong.
 
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Boo Radley said:
No, I think there is just an irrational hatred of Obama that has little merit.
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Translation: If you don't agree with Obama, you're a racist...:roll:

There are always points of disagreement, but nothing that warrants the silliness his detractors embrace.
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Translation: No one should disagree with "The One"

Republicans should be criticized. What they did was wrong.
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Translation: Anyone not a far left liberal I don't understand, so I lash out....
 
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