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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Moot said:
So why don't you write a letter to ISIS ....I'm sure you'll find them very sympathetic.
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Do you think someone who writes an blog post explaining US law to ISIS should be sent to jail?

Obviously Iran needed the refresher by Cotton because the Supreme Leader seems to think that Obama can sign treaties without the consent of the Senate...
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!!

Bush lied to the Democrats in the late 90s ? Check the date on those quotes. Half of them were made during the Clinton administration.

But apparently George Bush, as Governor of Texas was " lying " to the Democrats back in the late 90s....Lol !

Fantastic. Like I said keep posting.

Progressives marginalize themselves and their agenda just by opening their mouths.

Hey, did you know that Bill Clinton gave Halliburton theI first " no bid " contract ?

Yep, during his Kosovo redirect.

So what else do you have ? What tired and warmed over 10 year old talking points are you going to offer up next ??
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You fail to see the difference between being wrong and not acting on it and being wrong and invading a sovereign nation costing us 5000 lives and trillions of dollars. Trust me there is a HUGE difference. Not one of those Democrats called for or planned an invasion of Iraq. They knew better.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

jmotivator said:
Do you think someone who writes an blog post explaining US law to ISIS should be sent to jail?
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Is that someone trying to sabotage US foreign policy because he hates his president more than he loves his country? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Moot said:
So why don't you write a letter to ISIS ....I'm sure you'll find them very sympathetic.
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It's a JPA agreement, not a treaty.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Moot said:
So why don't you write a letter to ISIS ....I'm sure you'll find them very sympathetic.
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moot point
A debatable question, an issue open to argument; also, an irrelevant question, a matter of no importance. For example, Whether Shakespeare actually wrote the poem remains a moot point among critics, or It's a moot point whether the chicken or the egg came first.

your name seems to fit you well......

sarcasm is fine.....

but dont ask a question or make a stupid comment if you dont want a rebuttal
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Letter to Iran Is Far From Unprecedented - Marc Thiessen, Washington Post

". . . The folly here is not in Cotton’s decision to write the mullahs, but in Obama’s petulant response that Cotton and his colleagues were “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran.” Please. The deal Obama is negotiating is opposed not only by Republicans in Congress, but also by leading Democrats, the government of Israel and most Arab leaders. Are they all “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran” too?

Rather than having a temper tantrum, Obama should emulate Clinton and use congressional and international opposition as leverage at the negotiating table to get a better deal with Iran. And rather than rail against those who are speaking out against his deal, Obama should ask himself why so many are going to such great lengths to stop it. The problem is not their criticism, but Obama running roughshod over the concerns of Congress and U.S. allies. The fact is that any deal Obama reaches that does not have broad bipartisan backing in Congress and the support of governments in the region is in fact “dead on arrival” — even if Cotton and company are too polite to put it that bluntly."
 
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Jack Hays said:
Letter to Iran Is Far From Unprecedented - Marc Thiessen, Washington Post

". . . The folly here is not in Cotton’s decision to write the mullahs, but in Obama’s petulant response that Cotton and his colleagues were “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran.” Please. The deal Obama is negotiating is opposed not only by Republicans in Congress, but also by leading Democrats, the government of Israel and most Arab leaders. Are they all “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran” too?

Rather than having a temper tantrum, Obama should emulate Clinton and use congressional and international opposition as leverage at the negotiating table to get a better deal with Iran. And rather than rail against those who are speaking out against his deal, Obama should ask himself why so many are going to such great lengths to stop it. The problem is not their criticism, but Obama running roughshod over the concerns of Congress and U.S. allies. The fact is that any deal Obama reaches that does not have broad bipartisan backing in Congress and the support of governments in the region is in fact “dead on arrival” — even if Cotton and company are too polite to put it that bluntly."
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Has Mr. Theissen claimed to have read the agreement that the P5+1 is negotiating?
 
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Montecresto said:
Has Mr. Theissen claimed to have read the agreement that the P5+1 is negotiating?
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And why would that be relevant? It certainly is not relevant to the Senators' letter.
 
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Jack Hays said:
And why would that be relevant? It certainly is not relevant to the Senators' letter.
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I'm just curious based on his comment that the agreement could a better deal than it is.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Jack Hays said:
Letter to Iran Is Far From Unprecedented - Marc Thiessen, Washington Post

". . . The folly here is not in Cotton’s decision to write the mullahs, but in Obama’s petulant response that Cotton and his colleagues were “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran.” Please. The deal Obama is negotiating is opposed not only by Republicans in Congress, but also by leading Democrats, the government of Israel and most Arab leaders. Are they all “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran” too?

Rather than having a temper tantrum, Obama should emulate Clinton and use congressional and international opposition as leverage at the negotiating table to get a better deal with Iran. And rather than rail against those who are speaking out against his deal, Obama should ask himself why so many are going to such great lengths to stop it. The problem is not their criticism, but Obama running roughshod over the concerns of Congress and U.S. allies. The fact is that any deal Obama reaches that does not have broad bipartisan backing in Congress and the support of governments in the region is in fact “dead on arrival” — even if Cotton and company are too polite to put it that bluntly."
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It's in the bolded. Again I ask, a better deal than what. Has he read the deal that's being negotiated?
 
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Montecresto said:
It's in the bolded. Again I ask, a better deal than what. Has he read the deal that's being negotiated?
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The point of that sentence is not the terms of a deal, but the tactic of using opposition complaints for negotiating leverage. In other words, BHO should be able to use the Repubs' letter to improve his bargaining position.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The point of that sentence is not the terms of a deal, but the tactic of using opposition complaints for negotiating leverage. In other words, BHO should be able to use the Repubs' letter to improve his bargaining position.
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And I'm saying that Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Putin, Hollande and Jinping, appear to be fine with the deal they're working on. And unless Mr. Theissen has read the deal, how can he know that the senator's letter could make it better. For all he might know, it could have the opposite effect.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Jack Hays said:
Letter to Iran Is Far From Unprecedented - Marc Thiessen, Washington Post

". . . The folly here is not in Cotton’s decision to write the mullahs, but in Obama’s petulant response that Cotton and his colleagues were “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran.” Please. The deal Obama is negotiating is opposed not only by Republicans in Congress, but also by leading Democrats, the government of Israel and most Arab leaders. Are they all “making common cause with the hard-liners in Iran” too?

Rather than having a temper tantrum, Obama should emulate Clinton and use congressional and international opposition as leverage at the negotiating table to get a better deal with Iran. And rather than rail against those who are speaking out against his deal, Obama should ask himself why so many are going to such great lengths to stop it. The problem is not their criticism, but Obama running roughshod over the concerns of Congress and U.S. allies. The fact is that any deal Obama reaches that does not have broad bipartisan backing in Congress and the support of governments in the region is in fact “dead on arrival” — even if Cotton and company are too polite to put it that bluntly."
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Good evening 2M

Sometimes I feel as if columnists are reading my posts here on DP and using some of my thoughts in their columns. And this isn't the first time I've felt this way. My post 107 in this thread says pretty much the same thing.

Perhaps it's just great minds coming up with similar ideas simultaneously.
 
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Montecresto said:
And I'm saying that Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Putin, Hollande and Jinping, appear to be fine with the deal they're working on. And unless Mr. Theissen has read the deal, how can he know that the senator's letter could make it better. For all he might know, it could have the opposite effect.
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He can't know any more than you can, but that's not the point. He was pointing out how much more adroit Clinton was.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Good evening 2M

Sometimes I feel as if columnists are reading my posts here on DP and using some of my thoughts in their columns. And this isn't the first time I've felt this way. My post 107 in this thread says pretty much the same thing.

Perhaps it's just great minds coming up with similar ideas simultaneously.
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Good evening, CJ. I'm sure the "great minds" thesis is the answer.

Bismarck was the master of this tactic in his domestic and foreign policies.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Jack Hays said:
He can't know any more than you can, but that's not the point. He was pointing out how much more adroit Clinton was.
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Yes, I understood his opinion on that. But I trust the P5+1's understanding of what they're looking at, more than I do Mr. Theissen's which is certainly based upon an agreement that he likely is not looking at.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Montecresto said:
Yes, I understood his opinion on that. But I trust the P5+1's understanding of what they're looking at, more than I do Mr. Theissen's which is certainly based upon an agreement that he likely is not looking at.
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Good for you. That matter is entirely irrelevant to the point being made.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Jack Hays said:
Good for you. That matter is entirely irrelevant to the point being made.
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No, not really. Theissen's point is that Obama should have used the senator's letter as leverage to get a better deal than the deal that he hasn't seen. Obviously, he's an idiot.
 
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Moot said:
Yeah, almost as amazing as all those conservatives wetting themselves over Netanyahu and Putin as they turn their back on their own country just to spite one black man in the WH.
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So Netanyahu spoke to Congress and Putin invaded the Ukraine because they are racist?

Wasn't Obama going to be more 'flexible' with Putin after the last election? What was that all about?
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Montecresto said:
No, not really. Theissen's point is that Obama should have used the senator's letter as leverage to get a better deal than the deal that he hasn't seen. Obviously, he's an idiot.
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That is not Theissen's point. The passage that concerns you so much is merely a minor subpoint in his larger message that these kinds of communications are neither unprecedented nor always unhelpful. His argument in fact demonstrates considerable experience and sophistication.
 
iguanaman said:
You fail to see the difference between being wrong and not acting on it and being wrong and invading a sovereign nation costing us 5000 lives and trillions of dollars. Trust me there is a HUGE difference. Not one of those Democrats called for or planned an invasion of Iraq. They knew better.
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So they were just making noises but had no strategy?

Not much has changed then.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Moot said:
Is that someone trying to sabotage US foreign policy because he hates his president more than he loves his country? I really have no idea what you're talking about.
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Which US foreign policy do you have in mind? I doubt Obama even has a foreign policy, but correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Jack Hays said:
That is not Theissen's point. The passage that concerns you so much is merely a minor subpoint in his larger message that these kinds of communications are neither unprecedented nor always unhelpful. His argument in fact demonstrates considerable experience and sophistication.
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I realize that. I'm not taking issue with his larger point. I'm taking issue with his lesser point.
 
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