Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

NIMBY said:

As you would prefer he start another Iraq type war with 200,000 civilians killed and 4,500 soldiers dead based on the lies of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Condi.

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face said:

How in the flying **** is requiring Senate ratification as demanded by the Constitution calling for a war?

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NIMBY said:

As you would prefer he start another Iraq type war with 200,000 civilians killed and 4,500 soldiers dead based on the lies of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Condi.

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Or even better, would you prefer six years ago when we were hemorrhaging 4.4 million jobs in six months. Trashing tax revenues for years to come and raising deficits.

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I'm sure you don't see over 200,000 jobs a month for a year as anything positive, let alone 60 straight months of private sector job growth .

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NIMBY said:

Cotton has stated point blank that force is necessary with Iran.
This IED is really blowing up in the GOP Senate's face, don't you think--face, your ? .

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NIMBY said:

Cotton has stated point blank that force is necessary with Iran.
This IED is really blowing up in the GOP Senate's face, don't you think--face, your ? .

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Grant said:

A real threat would be the fifth columns based in Europe and North America. It would not be a war like anything in the past.

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Jack Hays said:

I think you owe Senator Cotton an apology.

On January 11, 2005, Cotton joined the United States Army and entered Officer Candidate School in March 2005. He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army on June 30, 2005. Cotton later attended both the U.S. Army Airborne School and Ranger School.[SUP][3][/SUP]
As an infantry officer and platoon leader with the 101st Airborne Division, he was deployed to Baghdad as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom on May 19, 2006. In Iraq, Cotton was responsible for a 41 man air assault infantry platoon in the 506th Infantry Regiment,[SUP][8][/SUP] and planned and led daily combat patrols. He completed his first combat tour in Iraq on November 20, 2006, and was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Iraq Campaign Medal, and various campaign/service medals.[SUP][3] . . . .[/SUP]
In 2008, he volunteered to return to combat duty, was promoted to captain on August 1, 2008, and deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom on October 15, 2008.
In Afghanistan, Cotton was assigned to Laghman Province, just north of Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. He was assigned duty as the operations officer of a Provincial Reconstruction Team, where he planned and resourced daily counter-insurgencyand reconstruction operations for an 83-member joint and interagency team.[SUP][3][/SUP] He returned from Afghanistan on July 20, 2009. For his second tour in Afghanistan he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal and various campaign/service medals. He was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army on September 26, 2009 at Fort Myer, Virginia.[SUP][3][/SUP]

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polgara said:

Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

Impressive record of service to our country! :thumbs: Not knowing too much about him, I read his bio on Wiki, and I was impressed at his record, and the fact that he is the youngest Senator in Congress, having been elected to replace Pryor in the 2014 midterms, a Democrat who had held the seat for 22 years. The voters in Arkansas approved of what they saw in him! I will be watching this newcomer to national politics, and I would like to see more like him in Washington, DC!

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Jack Hays said:

Maybe so, but my concern is more basic. Our ground forces are appropriate for a maritime power: mobile and lethal, but not designed for a prolonged ground war. Iran is big and populous, too big and too populous for a quick campaign.

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Grant said:

My feeling is that it would rely a great on technology, and nuclear should not be off the table. I cant see them stopping any them way.

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JasperL said:

That's scary, really. But more than that, I can't see why any American would want to engage in a nuclear war with Iran, and the just incredible fallout such an act would cause. What threat does Iran pose to the U.S. that would warrant such a drastic act as dropping a nuke on them when they haven't declared war on the U.S. and simply cannot be a credible threat to us?

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maxparrish said:

NIMBY...

OH WAIT I did find that horrible war mongering letter:

Cotton and 46 Fellow Senators to Send Open Letter to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran | Senator Tom Cotton

I am shocked, SHOCKED that those Senators would tell the Iranians that, under our Constitution, Congress must approve treaties by a two-thirds vote, and approve a binding agreement by a majority vote.

And then he tells them that the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics! He actually says that Obama will be gone in 2017, while most of the signers will be around.

He then says: "What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time."

Well HEll YES, those are WAR words...ASAP.

LOL...

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JasperL said:

That's scary, really. But more than that, I can't see why any American would want to engage in a nuclear war with Iran, and the just incredible fallout such an act would cause. What threat does Iran pose to the U.S. that would warrant such a drastic act as dropping a nuke on them when they haven't declared war on the U.S. and simply cannot be a credible threat to us?

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Moot said:

The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.

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Mycroft said:

For sure, our Constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders. I don't think ANYONE contends that it is, so that's just so much strawman bluster from the Iranian Minister. But the Minister would be wise to understand that the Constitution IS the supreme law IN the US and our actions are bound by it.

In regard to whether the world needs the US to survive or not...that's just more bluster unless they intend to eliminate the US from any talks they take part in. I think that would be a grave mistake on their part because there are other nations involved who might take drastic action against Iran without Obama's stabilizing influence.

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CanadaJohn said:

So, Obama goes around Congress with executive orders, as is his right, and all is good in the world. Congress goes around Obama, with a letter, and it's because they don't like Obama.

And you're right - nobody knows what's in a potential deal, except for the parts leaked by the White House, apparently rejected by Iran, and unacceptable to the 47 in the Senate who are signatories to the letter. Other than that, nobody knows.

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Grant said:

You mean in order to be non-partisan I would have to say that Obama is a good President?

I'd be willing to do that but have nothing on which to base this opinion.

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Moot said:

The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.

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Moot said:

The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.

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JANFU said:

No, they are both to blame -

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it's just me said:

You know, it's getting pretty damn bad when a Canadian understands US Politics better than half of the US citizens...

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Grant said:

It's amazing that some people give the Iranians more credibility than they do their fellow Americans.

I don't believe much of what Barrack or Hillary have to say but that doesn't mean I'd take an Iranian leader's word over theirs.

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Moot said:

Yeah, almost as amazing as all those conservatives wetting themselves over Netanyahu and Putin as they turn their back on their own country just to spite one black man in the WH.

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gdgyva said:

the black man in the WH as you put it has made too many errors in the same vein

he loves his secrets.......

the transparency of the office....which he promised has been non-existent

so....you can think that it is all about spite if you like

myself.....i think it is about his record.....and his lies to the people of this country

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