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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

SenorXm/Sirius said:
On Tuesday, the day after his letter to Hezbollah’s masters became public, Cotton provided a clue about his motives: He’d had a breakfast date with the National Defense Industrial Association — a trade group for Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing and the like.

You’re not allowed to know what Cotton said to the defense contractors. The event was “off the record and strictly non-attribution.” But you can bet it was what Dwight Eisenhower meant when he warned of the military-industrial complex.

The defense industry contributed more than $25 million in the 2014 election cycle and spent more than $250 million lobbying over that time period, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. For the defense industry, this is a good investment: If Senate Republicans blow up nuclear talks, it makes war with Iran that much more likely — and nobody would benefit as much from that war as military contractors.
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GOP senators appear set on their own breakaway nation - The Washington Post


it's not cool to plagiarize other peoples work...
 
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NIMBY said:
That is an outstanding contribution SenorXmSirius.
There's a real good reason why the Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee CORKER didn't sign GOP President Bibi's letter.
While sensible veteran Senator Collins reminds us that the role of the Senate is advice and consent .
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it's a contribution by Dana Milbank.. an opinion writer at Wapo
 
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Jack Hays said:
Everyone who served in Iraq was in harm's way. I've been there. You?
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Playing the unverifiable 'Real Life" card that GOPs play when backed into a corner.
Over the top irrationality does not deserve a response.
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Which is why you responded, correct Jack?

After the thrashings the GOP took in 2006 and 2008--partly due to running away from their President like cowards;
The GOP developed a superb off-shoot of their 'Patriot' card.
Advising their members if they wanted to be a candidate, they'd have to do a little service;
I'll let you as the expert determine how 'soft' that service was for weasels like Cotton.

Sen. Pryor did a miserable job handling this very issue during the election.
Not to mention what a coward he was running away from Obama, just like that idiot Grimes.

Add to that Cotton's lying that DEM's were cutting Social Security and those Arkansas folks bought it,
and we now have a one-term House member with 60 Senate days experience pushing us closer to war--Cotton's real words .
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
My no was we wouldn't need a draft to fight a war with Iran.

I'm not sure why you are saying for certain there will not be a war with Iran. There most certainly can be.

Besides our MIC, Israel and Saudi Arabia would love nothing better then for us to go to war with Iran. That's a lot of money, and that's a lot of lobbying on the side of war.
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At our current strength level, victory in a war with Iran would be beyond our capacity.
 
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Can you prove that it didn't happen .

Thrilla said:
it's a contribution by Dana Milbank.. an opinion writer at Wapo
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No deal could be best deal on Iran
March 10, 2015
Norman Bailey
Globes English - No deal could be best deal on Iran

Stiffer Western resolve, thanks to France, could leave Iran bogged down in regional conflict.

Prime Minister Netanyahu's speech before the joint houses of the American Congress appears not to have had much effect on public opinion, either in Israel or in the US. Polls show little change in party preferences for the upcoming elections in Israel, nor have they shown significant change in the support of the American people for Israel.

This does not mean, however, that nothing is going on in the confrontation between the West and Iran. Minister of Strategic Affairs Yuval Steinitz strongly hinted that Israel's detailed knowledge of the deal US Secretary of State John Kerry and his Iranian opposite number Javad Zarif are preparing came from the French. Now the French foreign minister, Laurent Fabius, is saying that the deal as presently constituted does Not meet French standards for scope and enforceability.

In response, the Obama administration is Backtracking, saying that no deal will be signed which limits the scaling-back of the Iranian production of fissile materials for ten or any other specific number of years, and which does not guarantee full cooperation with IAEA inspectors.
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NIMBY said:
Especially since they were lied to by the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Condi war machine.
Or have you forgotten the way they lied to General Powell before he spoke to the UN ?
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LOL !!

Bush and Cheney lied to the Democrats in the 90s ??

Bush, as Governor of Texas in the 90s convinced the Clinton administration and top Democrats that Saddam had WMD ?

How does that work ? Because half of the posted quotes were from the 90s.

Or did you just post without thinking again ?
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Plagiarize? I didn't take credit for it, or post it as my own. How the hell would I know Cotton had a meeting with the MIC? . I just re-posted it.
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gotta provide the link if you're using someone elses work...
 
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NIMBY said:
Can you prove that it didn't happen .
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what the hell?....I'm just letting you know whose contribution it is...I honestly don't care about the substance of the article( which is pretty hackish, btw)
 
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NIMBY said:
I'll let you as the expert determine how 'soft' that service was for weasels like Cotton.
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I think you owe Senator Cotton an apology.

On January 11, 2005, Cotton joined the United States Army and entered Officer Candidate School in March 2005. He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army on June 30, 2005. Cotton later attended both the U.S. Army Airborne School and Ranger School.[SUP][3][/SUP]
As an infantry officer and platoon leader with the 101st Airborne Division, he was deployed to Baghdad as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom on May 19, 2006. In Iraq, Cotton was responsible for a 41 man air assault infantry platoon in the 506th Infantry Regiment,[SUP][8][/SUP] and planned and led daily combat patrols. He completed his first combat tour in Iraq on November 20, 2006, and was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Iraq Campaign Medal, and various campaign/service medals.[SUP][3] . . . .[/SUP]
In 2008, he volunteered to return to combat duty, was promoted to captain on August 1, 2008, and deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom on October 15, 2008.
In Afghanistan, Cotton was assigned to Laghman Province, just north of Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. He was assigned duty as the operations officer of a Provincial Reconstruction Team, where he planned and resourced daily counter-insurgencyand reconstruction operations for an 83-member joint and interagency team.[SUP][3][/SUP] He returned from Afghanistan on July 20, 2009. For his second tour in Afghanistan he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal and various campaign/service medals. He was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army on September 26, 2009 at Fort Myer, Virginia.[SUP][3][/SUP]
 
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NIMBY said:
Cotton point blank stated the case for war.
Pretty tough talk for a JAG who sat on his ass in Iraq for his service.

Today's GOP is exactly what President Eisenhower warned us of and you know it .
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He "stated the case for war". Might you quote where was making a case for war?
 
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Jack Hays said:
I think you owe Senator Cotton an apology.

On January 11, 2005, Cotton joined the United States Army and entered Officer Candidate School in March 2005. He was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army on June 30, 2005. Cotton later attended both the U.S. Army Airborne School and Ranger School.[SUP][3][/SUP]
As an infantry officer and platoon leader with the 101st Airborne Division, he was deployed to Baghdad as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom on May 19, 2006. In Iraq, Cotton was responsible for a 41 man air assault infantry platoon in the 506th Infantry Regiment,[SUP][8][/SUP] and planned and led daily combat patrols. He completed his first combat tour in Iraq on November 20, 2006, and was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Iraq Campaign Medal, and various campaign/service medals.[SUP][3] . . . .[/SUP]
In 2008, he volunteered to return to combat duty, was promoted to captain on August 1, 2008, and deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom on October 15, 2008.
In Afghanistan, Cotton was assigned to Laghman Province, just north of Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan. He was assigned duty as the operations officer of a Provincial Reconstruction Team, where he planned and resourced daily counter-insurgencyand reconstruction operations for an 83-member joint and interagency team.[SUP][3][/SUP] He returned from Afghanistan on July 20, 2009. For his second tour in Afghanistan he was awarded the Bronze Star Medal and various campaign/service medals. He was honorably discharged from the U.S. Army on September 26, 2009 at Fort Myer, Virginia.[SUP][3][/SUP]
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Well yes, but Obama was a community organizer and earned an ink stain medal for writing letters demanding grant money from the enemy business community. He was often in grave danger from carpal tunnel syndrome, doncha know.
 
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Jack Hays said:
At our current strength level, victory in a war with Iran would be beyond our capacity.
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I disagree. Much of their air force and armor is old, and Russian. Not the best. It wouldn't be a walk in the park because their technological capabilities are better then any we've faced recently, and that might be problematic. But the constant pounding they would take would wear them down.
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
I disagree. Much of their air force and armor is old, and Russian. Not the best. It wouldn't be a walk in the park because their technological capabilities are better then any we've faced recently, and that might be problematic. But the constant pounding they would take would wear them down.
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We do not have sufficient forces for the war of attrition you describe.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !!

Yes, the quotes from prominent Democrats concerning Saddams possesion of Weapons of mass destruction were " taken out of context " in reference to Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction....

Unbelievable.
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On 10 November 1999, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright addressed another open meeting, this one held at the Chicago Hilton and Towers. Challenged to defend the Clinton administration's support of an economic and trade embargo against Iraq, Secretary Albright responded:If you remember in 1991, Saddam Hussein invaded another country, he plagued it, he set fire to it, and he decided that he could control the region. Before that, he had gassed his own people.

Saddam Hussein had been acquiring weapons of mass destruction. We carried out, with the help of an alliance, a war in which we put Saddam Hussein back into his box. The United Nations voted on a set of resolutions which demanded Saddam Hussein live up to his obligations and get rid of weapons of mass destruction.

The United Nations Security Council imposed a set of sanctions on Saddam Hussein until he did that. It also established an organization that is set up to monitor whether Hussein had gotten rid of his weapons of mass destruction.

There has never been an embargo against food and medicine. It's just that Hussein has just not chosen to spend his money on that. Instead, he has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction, and palaces for his cronies.

Read more at snopes.com: Weapons of Mass Destruction Quotes
 
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NIMBY...

OH WAIT I did find that horrible war mongering letter:

http://www.cotton.senate.gov/conten...end-open-letter-leaders-islamic-republic-iran

I am shocked, SHOCKED that those Senators would tell the Iranians that, under our Constitution, Congress must approve treaties by a two-thirds vote, and approve a binding agreement by a majority vote.

And then he tells them that the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics! He actually says that Obama will be gone in 2017, while most of the signers will be around.

He then says: "What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time."

Well HEll YES, those are WAR words...ASAP.

LOL...
 
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iliveonramen said:
Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
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The problem is that not even the Senate knows what's in the treaty which they are Constitutionally obligated to ratify before Obama signs it, Obama apparently thinks that the Constitution is just a piece of paper.
 
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JANFU said:
That is a partisan answer. 2 way street.
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You mean in order to be non-partisan I would have to say that Obama is a good President?

I'd be willing to do that but have nothing on which to base this opinion.
 
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Sen. McCain: Cotton letter not the "most effective" way to handle the Iran talks.
As Sen. McCain finds his conscience again--as he is often prone to do when his GOP makes him sick to his stomach .
 
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Jack Hays said:
At our current strength level, victory in a war with Iran would be beyond our capacity.
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A real threat would be the fifth columns based in Europe and North America. It would not be a war like anything in the past.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

SenorXm/Sirius said:
On Tuesday, the day after his letter to Hezbollah’s masters became public, Cotton provided a clue about his motives: He’d had a breakfast date with the National Defense Industrial Association — a trade group for Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing and the like.

You’re not allowed to know what Cotton said to the defense contractors. The event was “off the record and strictly non-attribution.” But you can bet it was what Dwight Eisenhower meant when he warned of the military-industrial complex.

The defense industry contributed more than $25 million in the 2014 election cycle and spent more than $250 million lobbying over that time period, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. For the defense industry, this is a good investment: If Senate Republicans blow up nuclear talks, it makes war with Iran that much more likely — and nobody would benefit as much from that war as military contractors.
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Hack, hackety hack hack, tell us who is Dana's source for this alleged breakfast? Now we all know now that Dana supports a fascist dictatorship but luckily in this country we have a little thing called the Constitution which requires a Senate ratification before any foreign treaty is signed by the POTUS, and he can call it a "deal" and an "agreement" or whatever other bull**** he wants, but we all know that it's a treaty.

GOP senators appear set on their own breakaway nation - The Washington Post
 
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As you would prefer he start another Iraq type war with 200,000 civilians killed and 4,500 soldiers dead based on the lies of Cheney/Rumsfeld/Condi.

Grant said:
You mean in order to be non-partisan I would have to say that Obama is a good President?

I'd be willing to do that but have nothing on which to base this opinion.
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Or even better, would you prefer six years ago when we were hemorrhaging 4.4 million jobs in six months.
Trashing tax revenues for years to come and raising deficits.

I'm sure you don't see over 200,000 jobs a month for a year as anything positive, let alone 60 straight months of private sector job growth .
 
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