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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

A Democratic controlled congress has never acted the same way Republican led congresses have. The closest was when Democrats had power under George W Bush but the common variable here? A Republican led Congress.

yes of course... evil republicans, saintly Democrats.. .same old bull**** song and dance.
 
Its not the first time Politicians have gone around the President to communicate with our enemies.

Didn't Pelosi gp around Bush to communicate with Assad in Syria ?

And Ted Kennedy went around Reagan to communicate with Ortega ?

Jim Wright met with Ortega and a Republican Senator suggested it violated the Logan act and Reagan attacked Wright....rightly.

But...I'll just put there here....from Thomas Mann from the Brookings Institute

“There have been many bitter battles” over the years, said Thomas Mann, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. But, he added, the tone of Monday’s letter to Iran from 47 Republican Senators may be in a league of its own.
“What’s unusual about this — but completely in tune with what’s happened in Washington in recent years — is the contempt with which it treats the president,” Mann said.
 
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Yes it does...those are all routes Congress can go in regards to foreign policy beyond an up or down vote on a treaty.

well ok then..I guess we'll just have to deal with the fact that the Senate won't be playing a role in this until years after it's a done deal...just as Obama has declared will be the case.
 
Jim Wright met with Ortega and a Republican Senator suggested it violated the Logan act and Reagan attacked Wright....rightly.

But...I'll just put there here....from Thomas Mann from the Brookings Institute

is the contempt with which it treats the president

Oh, boo hoo!!

This whining about contempt for a President who has shown nothing but contempt for the citizens, the Legislature and the Constitution...not to mention his own Oath of Office...is nothing short of pathetic.
 
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Didn't Pelosi gp around Bush to communicate with Assad in Syria ?

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Three GOP leaders Frank Wolf, Darrell Issa (and one other pubbie, forget his name...) met with Assad in Syria just as Pelosi was visiting in 2007.
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Thoughts on them going there?
 
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No...I never said that, that's not accurate, but neither is the typical false equivalency thrown out.

you don't have to say the exact words to convey the sentiment...but whatever.
 
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What do you mean by that? There's a very large difference from disagreeing with a President and what is currently occurring.
  • Pelosi went to see Assad
  • Kennedy's lackey proposed to the KGB a meeting with Teddy and Andropov to talk about opposing Reagan
  • Bonior went to see Saddam
  • Carter tried to get the UN to screw over HWBush
  • A bunch Democrats (including Jim Wright) wrote a letter of support to Daniel Ortega
You can lookup the details yourself but each incident was in contravention of the policy of their President at the time.
 
Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?

This is nothing more than congress taking executive action. Obama loves to go around Congress with his phone and pen. Now he is all pissed off at congress doing the same to him. Obama wants to be the dictator and could care less about congress.
 
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well ok then..I guess we'll just have to deal with the fact that the Senate won't be playing a role in this until years after it's a done deal...just as Obama has declared will be the case.

As have former presidents in "non-binding" executive agreements.

I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with executive agreements but this constant idea that executive power when being yielded by President Obama is some massive deviation from the norm or NOW it's a problem...really difficult to agree or even see that as anything other than partisanship.
 
Oh, boo hoo!!

This whining about contempt for a President who has shown nothing but contempt for the citizens, the Legislature and the Constitution...not to mention his own Oath of Office...is nothing short of pathetic.

well, there's no need to extent these argument of contempt beyond the Congress and the President in this thread... but yes, Obama has most assuredly treated republicans in Congress with extreme contempt... and vice versa... there's no love between any of them

my money is on this being the status quo until Obama is gone...
 
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Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.

And you don't either, and despite numerous cases fo "find out after it's happened" failures you're still throwing in with those that deceive and lie as a matter of course.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

As have former presidents in "non-binding" executive agreements.

I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with executive agreements but this constant idea that executive power when being yielded by President Obama is some massive deviation from the norm or NOW it's a problem...really difficult to agree or even see that as anything other than partisanship.

nobody is talking about non-binding agreements....we're talking about this deal with Iran

of course I don't expect you to see a problem with the increases in executive power or Obama bypassing congress.... that stuff is only bad when it's a Republican President.;)

but alas, we're just mere citizens.. spectators in the game.
my concerns and frustrations are more geared towards the players themselves.. and the rank hypocrisy and corruption our system sows.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

you don't have to say the exact words to convey the sentiment...but whatever.

I'll try....disagreement as opposed to...wanton disrespect? Actions being dominated by the goal of undermining or attacking the President? Governance taking a back seat partisanship?

I mean...let's take a look at this letter. If the goal of Republicans was to stop the deal it was completely counterproductive. It isolated centrist Democrats that were on board with passing legislation that would increase sanctions or would require the agreement to be reviewed and voted on by Congress. Senators that had concerns now see this as nothing more than a partisan play. So sticking your finger in the eye of the president takes precedence over actually getting what you want done. That is the difference between this Congress and previous ones. Previous Congresses disagreed with the President, they may pass legislation that was opposite of the President wanted, but this action is actually counter productive but they went ahead and did it because attacking Obama is the main goal.
 
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As have former presidents in "non-binding" executive agreements.

I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with executive agreements but this constant idea that executive power when being yielded by President Obama is some massive deviation from the norm or NOW it's a problem...really difficult to agree or even see that as anything other than partisanship.

The US has never entered into an executive agreement over armaments. Furthermore, assisting or encouraging Iran to gain nuclear weapons puts us in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
 
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nobody is talking about non-binding agreements....we're talking about this deal with Iran

It appears that it will be, at least if the U.S’s expectations are borne out. In yesterday’spress briefing, State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki repeatedly referred to the parties negotiating “political commitments,” and described the prospective deal as “a nonbinding international arrangement, to be signed (if it is signed) by the United States, the United Kingdom, France, China, Russia, Germany, and Iran,” in which Iran will make “verifiable and enforceable commitments to adhere to . . . limits.”

Yeah...was talking about the deal with Iran. Granted...non-binding vs binding isn't exactly clear because it may become a legally binding Security Council Resolution...but, it's a non-binding agreement.
 
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The US has never entered into an executive agreement over armaments. Furthermore, assisting or encouraging Iran to gain nuclear weapons puts us in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

IOW, you believe Netanyahu's lie that the deal being negotiated by the P5+1 paves the way to Iranian nuclear weapons?!?!
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.

For most law abiding Americans, Obama "earned" their trust TWICE: Once in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

From day one the GOP has moved in fascistic-style goose step fashion to obstruct any initiatives taken by this duly elected President -and the people and nation be damned! The GOP has indeed long ago now transgressed mere civility or respect for the office: starting with the outrageously improper shouting out of "You Lie!" while a president addresses congress , a countless litany of cheap personal attacks; repeatedly shutting down the government of the United States and playing chicken with the nation's "good faith and credit"....to now the unprecedented invitation to a foreign leader to criticize the president's foreign policy on the floor of the House AND, even more despicably sending an open letter to a foreign government designed to undermine the president's constitutional right to practice diplomacy......can you imagine what would have happened if the Democrats had done such a thing to a Republican president?!

What ever happened to "Politics stops at the waters edge." ????

For well over fifty years now the GOP has consistently been on the wrong side of history: wrong about Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Minimum Wage, GI Bill, Unemployment , Civil Rights (voter suppression etc.) , Women's Rights, LGBT Rights, Healthcare, etc. ad nauseam....their behavior during the Obama Administration adds yet another tawdry, embarrassingly unpatriotic chapter to their already soiled legacy ....."Party of Lincoln", indeed. History will not look fondly upon their destructive, border-line treasonous behavior.

These Republicans are indeed a disgrace to the federal government which they so, ironically, despise.....and have engaged in a deliberate attempt to undermine sensitive diplomatic negotiations with very high stakes: some , including myself would indeed call it treason....and that is precisely what the GOP would call it were the shoe on the other foot.
Over the past six plus years now, the GOP has wrought far more destruction to this nation than Bin Laden, himself, could have ever imagined possible.

If Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt or even Ike could see today's Republican Party, they would never stop vomiting.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

For most law abiding Americans, Obama "earned" their trust TWICE: Once in November 2008 and again in November 2012.

~snipped the whining anti-GOP hyperbole, since it doesn't merit a reasoned response~

Most??

In 2008, Obama garnered 52.93% of the popular vote. In 2012 it was 51.01%. I don't think anyone would consider those numbers as constituting "most".
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

No, not because Obama is Obama, more specifically, lack of trust in Obama. Something he's never bothered to earn, and now it haunts him.
He made his own bed. now he gets to sleep in it.

If the guy shat jobs out of his ass, you and your crew would still complain that the pay stinks. There is nothing this President can or could do that would garner bipartisan support.

Why?

Because he won... twice.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

The US has never entered into an executive agreement over armaments. Furthermore, assisting or encouraging Iran to gain nuclear weapons puts us in violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

So an agreement with the intent of stopping Iran from gaining nuclear weapons assists and encourages them in gaining nuclear weapons? This may become a security council resolution with all major world powers agreeing to it.


As for Executive agreements...George W Bush was going to use an Executive Agreement to commit US troops to Iraq long term, Executive agreements have been used to commit us to the protection of nations (Eisenhower and Spain)...which means of course if attacked we go to war on their behalf.

Executive agreements have a long history of being used for some major foreign policy decisions.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Traitors? Treason is a strong accusation, I am not sure you know what it means.


I'll bet the 47 traitors don't know what it means, either.
 
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And you don't either, and despite numerous cases fo "find out after it's happened" failures you're still throwing in with those that deceive and lie as a matter of course.

The negotiation is still in process and taking place. It includes 6 world powers and Iran. Anything the President says will be inaccurate until the agreement is finalized.
 
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...and supposedly he doesn't need Congress to lift sanctions that were levied by legislation.. and he doesn't need congress to enact immigration policy not found in law... etc etc etc.

according to Obama supporters, Congress is seemingly unnecessary on the whole.... all hail the King! ;)

can't 'thank' in the normal way.,....but that is right on.

In fact, Obama's cancellation of the Keystone may be unconstitutional as it appears to violate an international trade agreement about guaranteed supply of Canadian oil in exchange for access to warm water ports. Congress has the power to "advise and consent" on such matters, which means they must be "ratified" by congress before taking effect.

He is a king
 
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