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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Above and beyond? No - no more than any other President from one party and a congress of the other party. I also do not see Obama going above and beyond to work with Republicans - actually he has gone out of his way to accuse and disparage them in one sentence, and then criticize them for not working with him in the very next sentence. That Republicans are now slapping him in the face shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
    I can slightly agree with this on a more recent scale. It's obvious to everyone that Obama no longer cares to try to make anyone happy, or to work with anyone purposefully trying to work against him. The State of the Union address made this very obvious. It's not a surprise to me, or anyone, that "Republicans are now slapping him in the face," aside from the fact that Republicans have [I]always[\I] been "slapping him in the face." You even stated yourself that they didn't go above and beyond to work with him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yeah because only Obama is a partisan in Washington ... that will be the day.
    I'm confused here. Are you saying that I'm trying to suggest that Obama only works with the Democrats and that this statement is incorrect? Or did you word this wrong? I think that there are several issues, including the ACA, where Obama was too bipartisan when he should have really stuck to his original plans from the get go. I think that most politicians in Washington ARE very partisan and that usually any attempts for them to be bipartisan become a waste of time since everyone is funded by some super rich person (or group) that they're trying to appease.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The issue isn't partisanship - America was born on partisanship.
    Not to the degree that it is today. This country was not founded on the idea that American politics should turn into a reality television show and that "the most popular person" should win a rose to move onto the next round. That's where we stand today. We are not developing anything new, in a bipartisan fashion, that will allow everyone to "win." Instead we're wasting money and time with all of these idiots fighting with each other and stretching truths (Republicans [I]and[\I] Democrats) to try to gain a higher following so that some unnamed rich group will fund them in their political journey to do the same crap all over again. This country most definitely was not founded on the same level that we're at today.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The issue is working with both sides to get common agreement on those things where common agreement exists and to give and take where agreement does not exist - where possible.
    Which, in the beginning, was definitely what Obama attempted to do. We've wasted so much time with "the sides trying to work together" when it fact it was all just a show that was being put on so that the Republicans could scream that Obama was being mean and the Democrats could back down and give them what they wanted to avoid another government shutdown. Keep in mind I'm definitely not saying the Democrats are innocent in all of this, I'm just saying that this idea that Republicans have been trying really hard to work with Obama and Obama has just been a mean dictator throughout his entire presidency is asinine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Clinton seemed to be able to do that in his second term - however my "belief" since you are interested in it, is that Obama has neither the ability nor the want to work with anyone but those who agrees with him.
    I can see how you'd come to that conclusion, but the truth of the matter is that he is not interested in working with anyone who strictly wants to create fights and drama for no damned reason. If a Republican that disagreed with him came up with an alternative solution, it's obvious he'd pay attention to it. The problem is that when Obama returns his corrects to the alternative solution to make it more bipartisan, that's when the Republicans lose their minds saying that Obama isn't working with them. You can't expect that Obama says he wants one thing, then a Republican submits an alternate avenue that is completely one-sided, and then to have Obama just say, "Oh, okay, yeah, let's just do that." The whole idea is that he should be able to say, "Okay, I see what you want but let's change it this way and go from there, what do you think?" But that hasn't ever been the case. From the beginning the Republicans have been turning in their addendum and corrections (which is completely acceptable), but they seem to be wanting their changes to just be accepted immediately without more discussion and changes. THAT is how you come to a conclusion and a plan. Not just "here is what we want and if you won't just accept what we're saying then we're going to scream to FOX News that you're being mean to us."

    So yes, you're correct that at this point in his presidency he no longer cares to try to do the back and forth game with Republicans. If they submit something that they're really willing to work on to come to an actual agreement, I'm sure it'll work itself out. However when an ACA reversal bill comes to his desk for the 50+ time in seven years... come on. Should Obama not represent his supporters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He makes grand claims of transparency when everyone sees he and his administration is not. He lies to the American people about so very many things then blames those things on Republicans. Obama's problem is he is by nature an ideologue - and no matter what he cannot and will not compromise while claiming publicly, that's all he ever wants. Republicans in this case are irrelevant since Obama has a "pen and a phone" you see.
    I do not support everything Obama has done. I've never claimed to. However in this case we'll have to agree to disagree because I believe that you're blinding following this notion that Republicans have done everything they can work with Obama and Obama, from day one, has been a dictator. That's ridiculous. Obama has made decisions I don't agree with, I'm more than willing to admit that. There is no way that anyone can twist and turn facts into "Obama has never tried to work with Republicans" though. That's just blind ignorance and a waste of my time.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.


    You hide **** and lie your entire term, and this one we are supposed to believe?


    he's handing Iran the bomb.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Absolutely they have. You're argument would be much easier however if Obama and his administration were genuine in their view to compromise and seek partnership with Republicans - however the direct opposite is true. Given Obama's been the same since running for election in 2007, there is no surprise on my part at all that Republicans now, who control both Houses of Congress, will give him a taste of his own medicine to go along with his legacy. You see... it takes two to tango.
    Hmm, see there is the problem. You made up your mind about Obama before he even started and decided he was a worthless president. Obama has changed a lot since the very beginning, but you're very blind to this because you've hated him from the beginning. When he first started he was very willing to work with everyone. If your eyes had been open and you had paid attention to anything other than FOX News you would have seen that. It's very, very obvious that his interest in going round and round with Republicans in his last four years has changed. He's a completely different person at this point.

    The whole point of democracy is to work together, back and forth, to come up with an agreement that benefits as many people as possible. So let's say Obama says, "Let's open the borders to allow anyone and everyone to come in without question, what do you think?" The Republicans come back with, "No, we should actually kill every Mexican and Muslim in this country without question because they're all terrorists that are spreading measles and trying to force us into Sharia Law." Clearly, even you can see, that both sides are too extreme. The problem is that because Obama doesn't just say, "Okay, you're right, let's just kill all Mexicans and Muslims," suddenly he "is refusing to work with them. Instead he says, "Okay, well no, that's not going to work. How about we [do this instead]." Now he is a dictator that isn't working with Republicans. This has been happening the whole time he has been president and so yes, he has changed significantly because why keep screaming and battling and fighting with people who don't actually want to come to a neutral agreement? What the hell is the point anymore?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No one, from the President to Congress were forced to do anything.... frankly I think they wanted to do it. As I already said, this is a reaction by Republicans to the White Houses' constant ideologue actions and in some cases, expansion beyond the law of executive power. Obama's smarmy arrogance is just the cherry on top.
    False equivalency. The President has to negotiate difficult deals with foreign leaders. The Republicans were not required to undermine him. Saying it's all good because it's just the atmosphere that's been created is a cop out.

    Out of curiosity, do you believe Gingrich was right?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No I wouldn't...because there's no way it would stand up in court. Shielding people from deportation has been done through executive orders for decades. Not to the extent of this one, but he's not the first.
    Deciding not to audit all tax returns and to prioritize those that are audited is also common practice. Should we exempt those that claim children or by some other class distinction?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You hide **** and lie your entire term, and this one we are supposed to believe?


    he's handing Iran the bomb.
    Why do you believe this?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Little point they all like to forget about....
    Yep. It doesnt fit the narrative. Neither does the fact that as soon as the GOP took control of the House they sent literally hundreds of passed legislative actions that Reid refused to take action on.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Deciding not to audit all tax returns and to prioritize those that are audited is also common practice. Should we exempt those that claim children or by some other class distinction?
    By all means, let a Republican President decide to shield tax dodgers.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why do you believe this?


    My healthcare went up, my coverage went down. We weren't allowed to read the bill
    The internet is about to become a utility, we weren't allowed to read the bill.
    Lied about benghazi
    lied about the "Arab spring"
    misjudged ISIS
    lied about putting all legislation on the internet 5 days prior


    among other things, he is untrustworthy.
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