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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    Yes, and intel has been sooooo reliable in recent history. Tell me, did you believe US intel that Saddam was aquiring WMD?
    Well, if once wrong always wrong, then there's a bigger problem than you think.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They are, actually. That they have different roles does not diminish their co-equal-ness. The Legislative, additionally, has oversight authority on the Executive, which the Executive is trying to obfuscate.
    There is oversight but Congress has more power when it comes to the purse strings, Executive has more power when it comes to foreign relations, and the courts have more power in determining if a law if constitutional.

    They have roles that they each lead in, and there are checks in place, but I wouldn't call them co-equal in all realms.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    YOU LIED... those quotes are NOT IN THE WSJ artricle....

    wow..a new low ..you just made it up
    Go to the WSJ above. Click on it and see it is the WSJ. Then apologize.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    From your link: Ali al-Mussawi, the media adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, said in a television interview that Panetta’s statement was “not true” and the possibility that a small contingent of American troops will stay on in Iraq after the December deadline “hasn’t been agreed on yet.”

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced Friday that Iraq has already requested the U.S. remain beyond 2011 and the Pentagon is in the process of negotiating that agreement.

    Panetta told Stars and Stripes, "My view is that they finally did say, 'Yes.'"

    Now that the Pentagon has unanimous consent from Iraq's leaders, it will move forward on establishing what type of forces will remain and what their function will be.

    Panetta made clear, however, that the U.S. will continue its commitment to withdrawing all combat troops from the country by the established deadline.


    It's Official: Iraq Wants The U.S. To Stay - Business Insider

    Read more: It's Official: Iraq Wants The U.S. To Stay - Business Insider
    LOL. Didn't we cover this in the last link, the one that says more?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    There is oversight but Congress has more power when it comes to the purse strings, Executive has more power when it comes to foreign relations, and the courts have more power in determining if a law if constitutional.

    They have roles that they each lead in, and there are checks in place, but I wouldn't call them co-equal in all realms.
    They are co-equal in authority regardless of roles. Further, no foreign relations agreement is binding without congressional consent.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They are co-equal in authority regardless of roles. Further, no foreign relations agreement is binding without congressional consent.
    They are? So President Obama has just as much authority in creating a budget as the House? President Obama has just as much authority on the constitutionality of laws as the Courts?

    As for binding...the majority of international agreements post WWII have been through executive Agreements...and they've ranged from Eisenhower declaring the US would aid Spain if attacked to GW Bush saying that the US could create a Force agreement with Iraq without Congressional approval.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    From your link: Ali al-Mussawi, the media adviser to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, said in a television interview that Panetta’s statement was “not true” and the possibility that a small contingent of American troops will stay on in Iraq after the December deadline “hasn’t been agreed on yet.”
    And you believe Maliki, despite his having to please several different factions and telling them what they wanted to hear?

    What's interesting is that, as a typical leftist, you'd believe a foreign leader who has been much criticized over the years over an American Democrat who has served his country well. It's difficult to believe you were raised and educated in a free society.

    Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is an American statesman, lawyer, and professor. He served in the Barack Obama administration as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency from 2009 to 2011 and as Secretary of Defense from 2011 to 2013. A Democrat, Panetta was a member of the United States House of Representatives from 1977 to 1993, served as Director of the Office of Management and Budget from 1993 to 1994 and as President Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff from 1994 to 1997. He is the founder of the Panetta Institute for Public Policy, served as Distinguished Scholar to Chancellor Charles B. Reed of the California State University System and professor of public policy at Santa Clara University.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They are? So President Obama has just as much authority in creating a budget as the House? President Obama has just as much authority on the constitutionality of laws as the Courts?
    Actually, that's his job.

    As for binding...the majority of international agreements post WWII have been through executive Agreements...and they've ranged from Eisenhower declaring the US would aid Spain if attacked to GW Bush saying that the US could create a Force agreement with Iraq without Congressional approval.
    Yep, and Clinton promised to protect the Ukraine if attacked. How's that going?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And you believe Maliki, despite his having to please several different factions and telling them what they wanted to hear?

    What's interesting is that, as a typical leftist, you'd believe a foreign leader who has been much criticized over the years over an American Democrat who has served his country well. It's difficult to believe you were raised and educated in a free society.
    The fact that he had to appease others makes my point. And make no mistake, both sides have reasons other than the truth to make their public statements. You accept on who. I accept on evidence. Can you see the problem with your position?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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