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Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

polgara said:
Greetings, Cardinal. :2wave:

Obama is attempting to prevent Iran from getting a bomb? Really? They won't even tell anyone where all their underground facilities are! They haven't exactly been the most trustworthy country we've ever dealt with, and they wholeheartedly fund terrorism, and we are supposed to trust them? So far it appears they want to set the terms of any agreement that is made, or there's no deal. Is that in our best interest?
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Hey there Polgara, if support for terrorism is the yardstick of trust, it would seem that Iran wouldn't be able to trust the US to keep their end of any deal, too!
 
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Cardinal said:
So a nuclear Iran isn't funny, but anything that Republicans do that cause a nuclear Iran, especially if they can undermine Obama in the process, is hilarious. Great.
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that's a pretty odd opinion coming from an ardent Obama supporter....why do you believe it's hilarious?
 
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Samhain said:
Based on the White House's own statements, nobody will until its agreed.

Mark Knoller: "WH says if nuke deal is reached with Iran it won't be a treaty subject to Senate ratification."

So the Republicans are correct, it will be a deal between the current Executive branch and Iran, to be terminated at the descresion of future Executive branch leaders.
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UK, France, Germany, Greece are also part of the agreement with Iran. So if another US president decides to willy nilly break the agreement, it won't be just Iran that won't trust the US, it will also be our allies which in turn could have serious repercussions on US reputation and economy and the safety of Americans abroad especially US troops in the ME.
 
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jmotivator said:
Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 [The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur...

If Obama wasn't a bung-hole and actually worked with the Congress they wouldn't have to remind foreign leaders how the US treaty process is supposed to work.
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They just keep settin 'em up and you keep knocking them down. I wonder what kind of country the US would be if everyone knew what was in the constitution?
 
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Thrilla said:
that's certainly part of it... but my opinion rests primarily on the basis of their Islamic theocracy

I do agree they are interested in self preservation( as anyone is)... but I just don't trust a theocracy.. especially one so hateful.
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I can't see where Iran's FP, poses near the threat to global security that USFP does. And I would remind you that the US created the awful weapon you want to deny Iran, and to date is the only nuclear power to have used one (sorry, two) and on civilian targets no less. If Iran had the ability, they'd be telling the US to **** off, and who but the patronizing Americans could blame them?
 
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Moot said:
UK, France, Germany, Greece are also part of the agreement with Iran. So if another US president decides to willy nilly break the agreement, it won't be just Iran that won't trust the US, it will also be our allies which in turn could have serious repercussions on US reputation and economy and the safety of Americans abroad especially US troops in the ME.
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China and Russia too!! Obviously hatred for Obama eclipses all critical thought on this.
 
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Montecresto said:
Hey there Polgara, if support for terrorism is the yardstick of trust, it would seem that Iran wouldn't be able to trust the US to keep their end of any deal, too!
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Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

I don't understand your post. Are you saying that we support terrorism? :confused:
 
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beefheart said:
It is a dumb, and wrong thing to do, whichever side does it..

Hyperpartisans...I laugh at the use that word.
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I don't disagree that it's wrong.... there's an awful lot of wrong going on... on both sides of the aisle ,and in the White House.
none of this happens in a vaccuum.
in this particular case, Obama should not have declared he was going to shut congress out back in October... that was a stupid and wrong move.
ultimately, it led to where we are today.( though him doing so surely didn't happen in a vacuum either)

anyways, on such an important issue, nobody should be shutting anyone out...this is one of those times when the government needs to get it **** straight and act as a single unit, according to it's constitutional duties.... .it's not the time for bull**** unilateralism.. it's not the time to flex executive muscles..and it's not the time to write meaningless letters meant to smack the Prez upside his head.
bunch of ****ing children, the lot of them... and yeah, Obama is included in that...he's the head baby.



sometimes "partisan" isn't enough to describe how far people take their political allegiances.<shrug>
 
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Thrilla said:
I don't disagree that it's wrong.... there's an awful lot of wrong going on... on both sides of the aisle ,and in the White House.
none of this happens in a vaccuum.
in this particular case, Obama should not have declared he was going to shut congress out back in October... that was a stupid and wrong move.
ultimately, it led to where we are today.( though him doing so surely didn't happen in a vacuum either)

anyways, on such an important issue, nobody should be shutting anyone out...this is one of those times when the government needs to get it **** straight and act as a single unit, according to it's constitutional duties.... .it's not the time for bull**** unilateralism.. it's not the time to flex executive muscles..and it's not the time to write meaningless letters meant to smack the Prez upside his head.
bunch of ****ing children, the lot of them... and yeah, Obama is included in that...he's the head baby.



sometimes "partisan" isn't enough to describe how far people take their political allegiances.<shrug>
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GOP congresmen decided to shut Obama out on day one.

Polarization has gotten us nothing but more kooks in office.
 
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Montecresto said:
I can't see where Iran's FP, poses near the threat to global security that USFP does. And I would remind you that the US created the awful weapon you want to deny Iran, and to date is the only nuclear power to have used one (sorry, two) and on civilian targets no less. If Iran had the ability, they'd be telling the US to **** off, and who but the patronizing Americans could blame them?
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wow.. i'm so surprised you deciced make a post where your aim is criticize the US again.. it's so rare for you to do so. /sarcasm
 
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Fearandloathing said:
They just keep settin 'em up and you keep knocking them down. I wonder what kind of country the US would be if everyone knew what was in the constitution?
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He missed by a mile.....because Obama isn't negotiating for a treaty and doesn't need congressional advice or consent to broker an 'agreement'.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Montecresto. :2wave:

I don't understand your post. Are you saying that we support terrorism? :confused:
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Indubitably.
 
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beefheart said:
GOP congresmen decided to shut Obama out on day one.

Polarization has gotten us nothing but more kooks in office.
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how did GOP congressmen shut Obama out on day 1?... i'm not following what you have in mind here.
 
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Thrilla said:
wow.. i'm so surprised you deciced make a post where your aim is criticize the US again.. it's so rare for you to do so. /sarcasm
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Yes I know. I should do like the rest and only criticize one half of America. Sorry. Btw, "America" has meaning far beyond just the leadership of one administration to the next, responsible for advancing foreign policy which is what I criticize daily.
 
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Moot said:
He missed by a mile.....because Obama isn't negotiating for a treaty and doesn't need congressional advice or consent to broker an 'agreement'.
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...and supposedly he doesn't need Congress to lift sanctions that were levied by legislation.. and he doesn't need congress to enact immigration policy not found in law... etc etc etc.

according to Obama supporters, Congress is seemingly unnecessary on the whole.... all hail the King! ;)
 
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Thrilla said:
...and supposedly he doesn't need Congress to lift sanctions that were levied by legislation.. and he doesn't need congress to enact immigration policy not found in law... etc etc etc.

according to Obama supporters, Congress is seemingly unnecessary on the whole.... all hail the King! ;)
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What good are sanctions if other countries ignore them?

Obama was democratically and legally elected President of the United States of America ...TWICE......so you might remember that while you're pledging allegiance to another country over your own.
 
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Moot said:
What good are sanctions if other countries ignore them?

Obama was democratically and legally elected President of the United States of America ...TWICE......so you might remember that while you're pledging allegiance to another country over your own.
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Obama began shutting out the GOP when there was one too many leaks on sensitive foreign affairs.
It was just too much of a coincidence that Cheney always knew what was going on with current negotiations.

He knows they've been leaking since day one, as with all the GOP kangaroo courts.
Due to our election cycles, Obama felt he needed to wait to get reelected before wising up .

beefheart said:
GOP congresmen decided to shut Obama out on day one.

Polarization has gotten us nothing but more kooks in office.
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CanadaJohn said:
Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?
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The real problem here is that Obama won't tell the truth about Iran's intentions, even though he knows what they are--the Iranian leadership is definitely planning on developing nuclear weapons, just as any other nation interested in self-defense would.

O has known this for years, and the only reason he keeps saying this crap about how he won't let Iran get nukes is just to appease the stupid, idiot right wing, warmongering kooks that (unfortunately) populate the tail end America. He's afraid if he just blurts out "yeah, Iran will get nukes, and I don't care since they can't use them or doll them out for a first strike, lest they be wiped off the Earth in retaliation" that these conservatives will get out of their barns and start screaming "THE RAGHEADS ARE GONNA NUKE US CUZ OBAMA IS GONNA LET EM HAVE NUKES. TOLD YA HE WAS MUSLUM!"

Every President needs to realize that the more you try not to offend right wing America, the more you end up looking as stupid and pathetic as it is.

BEST POLICY: pursue the logical course of action, and let the righties go bonkers and sound stupid. O did that when he explicitly expressed his support for gay marriage. Right wing America went berserk and ended up making total, complete asses of themselves in front of the world.

Same thing will happen when O says Iran will get nukes and everyone should chill out.
 
Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

Moot said:
What good are sanctions if other countries ignore them?
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that's irrelevant to my point, but nice try at a deflection.

Obama was democratically and legally elected President of the United States of America ...TWICE......so you might remember that while you're pledging allegiance to another country over your own.
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well, obviously you are full of butthurt, so we'll let this comment stand as the incrediblly ignorant comment it is.... well done
 
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jmotivator said:
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What is that supposed to prove...that your opinions are indefensible and based on a false premise? :roll:
 
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Thrilla said:
that's irrelevant to my point, but nice try at a deflection.
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Just because you missed the point doesn't make it a deflection.



well, obviously you are full of butthurt, so we'll let this comment stand as the incrediblly ignorant comment it is.... well done
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Now thatsa deflection. Truth hurts, eh?
 
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I detest both parties as I think both are worse then useless.

But, in this case, if Obama is acting like a 16 year old...then those 47 Reps are acting like 6 year olds.

The letter means nothing as the Iranian's already know full well how America's political system works.

Clearly, like with inviting Bibi to chat in their 'club house', this is just another juvenile attempt to play politics.

The reps are freaking out about a deal that has not been signed and they have no idea what it contains...how absurd.
If the Reps think these childish games will gain them enough votes for the WH in 2016, I think they are dreaming.
Americans want leaders, not children, running their country.
 
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