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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This last 8 years has been a myriad of precedents. A President legislating from the Executive offices, making changes to bills without Congress, forcing people to buy government backed insurance, announcing "I have a pen and a phone" to bully though whatever he wants without Congress and as the SCOTUS has identified now multiple times, exceeded his authority. All of that doesn't now stop but continues... so why then would Congress pushing the envelope and setting a precedent in this case be surprising? Do I accept it? I have no choice but to accept it as I cannot, as an individual, deny their ability or right to send a letter to anyone they choose, just like I could not stop the Senate from using the nuclear option to bypass a filibuster or to shelve bills on the Senate floor from ever going to committee or be discussed at all.

    Do I think that all these precedents are a good thing? No I do not.... but that's the world we now live in isn't it.
    The problem with your post is the Republicans didn't have to do this. It's not something they were forced into doing.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Thanks to Samhain for finding this:

    WASHINGTON, April 19— Members of Congress are always writing ''Dear Colleague'' letters to other members, promoting a bill or noting an event. Now 10 Democratic lawmakers have written a ''Dear Comandante'' letter that is kicking up a fuss on Capitol Hill.

    The letter is addressed to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the coordinator of the junta that rules Nicaragua. In it, the lawmakers commend his Government ''for taking steps to open up the political process in your country'' and urge greater efforts toward freer and more open elections.

    'At Best Unwise'

    After the letter came to light in a Congressional debate on Nicaragua last week, Representative Newt Gingrich, Republican of Georgia, flew into a letter-writing frenzy of his own. Mr. Gingrich is circulating the ''Dear Comandante'' missive to reporters around town, accompanied by a statement that accuses the authors of undercutting the Administration's foreign policy.

    ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''
    Keep in mind the Democrats did not even directly undermine Reagan by saying he was only in office for a few years, they probably wouldn't ratify anything he agreed to with Saavedra, and besides, they'd probably just overturn it anyway. So the question is, was Gingrich right?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The problem with your post is the Republicans didn't have to do this. It's not something they were forced into doing.
    No one, from the President to Congress were forced to do anything.... frankly I think they wanted to do it. As I already said, this is a reaction by Republicans to the White Houses' constant ideologue actions and in some cases, expansion beyond the law of executive power. Obama's smarmy arrogance is just the cherry on top.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The problem with your post is the Republicans didn't have to do this. It's not something they were forced into doing.
    that's true.

    that plays both ways, though...

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    At this point, with the 1967 borders issue, his fumbling at the G-20 in Paris, Libya's 'regime change', the troop withdrawal in Iraq, the stalled war in Afghanistan, the Crimean invasion, Ukraine, wars in seven countries, the Netanyahu speech and its consequences, the lies upon lies he has been caught in on foreign affairs [the world is watching stupid!], upheaval across the middle east, increasing strongholds for ISIS, the Keystone pipeline, naming
    Venezuela as a 'security threat' his ignorance of international affairs, "desperate" is much too soft a word.

    This guy is scrambling for one simple little win.....one where there is no contest
    And he's not going to find it.

    The entire world's leaders have already come to the conclusion that he's weak and ineffectual leader on the world's stage, and have moved beyond him, in many instances. Jordan and Egypt taking the lead in combating ISIS directly is a prime example, as is the lack of SoFA with Iraq and Afghanistan, as is ISIS's bold moves to acquire control of more land, as is Putin's bold move taking Crimea and the Eastern 1/2 of the Ukraine, as is the outcome of Syria and Obama's red line experiment, as is Obama's GW deal with China, where the US does all the cutting, and China is barely obligated to do anything for many years.

    All the world's leaders have seen that when push comes to shove, they can shove Obama around as they please.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Obama can negotiate what is known as a sole-executive agreement. Examples of such agreements would be Yalta, Potsdam, Vietnam, and the numerous SOFA agreements with other nations. Although there is nothing in the Constitution which addresses such agreements, they have flourished and the SCOTUS has upheld their validity mainly because there is no long-term commitment. Sole Executive Agreements are considered to be a legal treaty under international law, but not under US law. Successor presidents are not required to honor such agreements, but most do so.
    If you are attempting to negotiate an agreeement that is said to run for 10 years with verification, then an EO would not be appropriate. You would have to be the worst kind of moron to entertain a negotiated nuclear treaty with no expectation of compliance beyond your tenure of office.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Republicans undermine negotiations with Iran and the right wingers here fall all over themselves to defend it.

    because, to them, hurting Obama is more important than protecting America. Or Israel.
    What "negotiations"?

    Iran has rejected the idea, France and Canada have as well, Israel hates it, exactly what the **** are the Grubers clinging to?

    It's a bad deal, the world want's noting to do with, Obama has set the table back 15 years by handing over the cash FIRST like a rube rug deal, and no agreement will EVER get ratified with this congress.....

    So what it is? What is so great about this proposed deal that lets a country hostile to Israel, Canada and the US have nuclear weapons?

    Congress is acting on behalf of American and WORLD interests. Iran getting the bomb will mean war.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Who controlled the house for a large portion of those 6 years? The Senate for ALL SIX of those years?
    Little point they all like to forget about....
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry - but where in the letter does it say that Obama can't negotiate or that Iran shouldn't negotiate with Obama. It does say, however, that any deal Obama makes will be time limited to his remaining term in office unless Congressional approval is forthcoming. Is that wrong?
    It is wrong, it's very wrong. It's purpose is to undermine the President in the negotiation and it has resulted in Iran stating that the US is untrustworthy. It gives hardliners in Iran that don't want a deal more fuel to say "see....no matter what we agree to there will be sanctions...we told you negotiations were worthless." It's borderline a violation of the Logan Act. There's a reason diplomacy should be done through one voice in the international scene...there's a reason the Logan Act was passed.

    As for the sanctions, the US ones are primarily US law, not executive orders. So any deal that expects to have US sanctions end, would need to have US Congressional action to rescind those laws, would it not?
    it's a mix of legislation and executive orders.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. You would freak out if a republicant president decided to undertake federal income tax reform by executive action - simply modifying the process of filing/auditing, changing only some numbers and/or dates.
    No I wouldn't...because there's no way it would stand up in court. Shielding people from deportation has been done through executive orders for decades. Not to the extent of this one, but he's not the first.
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