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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You only have to read the first paragraph. FLASHBACK

    Are you aware now of the 'bloody aftermath'? Do you know that there were terrorists murdering innocent Iraqis when the troops were there and that by removing the troops the situation could only get worse?
    All you had to do was look at the body count chart to see that the after math of troop withdrawal wasn't nearly as bloody as it was before. Sorry but I don't really consider the CNS a credible source.


    Are you aware that there weren't any terrorists in Iraq before the invasion....but because of the war now there are? Bush still gets the credit for the invasion that opened the can of worms we now call ISIS.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    All you had to do was look at the body count chart to see that the after math of troop withdrawal wasn't nearly as bloody as it was before. Sorry but I don't really consider the CNS a credible source.


    Are you aware that there weren't any terrorists in Iraq before the invasion....but because of the war now there are? Bush still gets the credit for the invasion that opened the can of worms we now call ISIS.
    Wrong, Saddam literally had terrorist conventions.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]



    This ought to be big news. Throughout the early and mid-1990s, Saddam Hussein actively supported an influential terrorist group headed by the man who is now al Qaeda's second-in-command, according to an exhaustive study issued last week by the Pentagon. "Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives." According to the Pentagon study, Egyptian Islamic Jihad was one of many jihadist groups that Iraq's former dictator funded, trained, equipped, and armed.

    The study was commissioned by the Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia, and produced by analysts at the Institute for Defense Analyses, a federally funded military think tank. It is entitled "Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents." The study is based on a review of some 600,000 documents captured in postwar Iraq. Those "documents" include letters, memos, computer files, audiotapes, and videotapes produced by Saddam Hussein's regime, especially his intelligence services. The analysis section of the study covers 59 pages. The appendices, which include copies of some of the captured documents and translations, put the entire study at approximately 1,600 pages.

    An abstract that describes the study reads, in part:


    Saddam's Dangerous Friends | The Weekly Standard

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    Wrong, Saddam literally had terrorist conventions.

    Then why can't you prove it with unbiased, credible, factual evidence?



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    Those are the same people that lied about WMDs in order to fool the public into supporting the Iraq war.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then why can't you prove it with unbiased credible factual evidence?

    "Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents."

    http://lauren.vortex.com/dod-iraq-aq.pdf

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    "Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents."

    http://lauren.vortex.com/dod-iraq-aq.pdf
    Sorry but I'm not going to read a pdf that I have to save to my hard drive from a source I'm not familiar with.



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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post


    This ought to be big news. Throughout the early and mid-1990s, Saddam Hussein actively supported an influential terrorist group headed by the man who is now al Qaeda's second-in-command, according to an exhaustive study issued last week by the Pentagon. "Saddam supported groups that either associated directly with al Qaeda (such as the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, led at one time by bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri) or that generally shared al Qaeda's stated goals and objectives." According to the Pentagon study, Egyptian Islamic Jihad was one of many jihadist groups that Iraq's former dictator funded, trained, equipped, and armed.

    The study was commissioned by the Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Virginia, and produced by analysts at the Institute for Defense Analyses, a federally funded military think tank. It is entitled "Iraqi Perspectives Project: Saddam and Terrorism: Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents." The study is based on a review of some 600,000 documents captured in postwar Iraq. Those "documents" include letters, memos, computer files, audiotapes, and videotapes produced by Saddam Hussein's regime, especially his intelligence services. The analysis section of the study covers 59 pages. The appendices, which include copies of some of the captured documents and translations, put the entire study at approximately 1,600 pages.

    An abstract that describes the study reads, in part:


    Saddam's Dangerous Friends | The Weekly Standard
    Thanks for the cite. Stephen Hayes is a first rate researcher. Most leftists sympathize with Muslim jihadists and share their loathing of the U.S. and western civilization generally, so I expect them to try to cast doubt on this evidence. I have always thought Saddam Hussein was involved indirectly with jihadists, and possibly even with the people behind 9/11. President Clinton thought Iraq was involved with them too--he said he ordered the bombing of a factory in Khartoum in 1998 because of evidence that Iraq was using it to produce poison gas and/or biological agents that could fall into the hands of terrorists. Sudan's history of involvement with Al Qaeda--it was the group's home base in the early 1990's--made this risk credible.

    In September, 1992, Abdul Yassin crossed from Iraq into Jordan, and from there flew to a Jersey City apartment building where his brother lived. Ostensibly he had come to the U.S. for treatment of his epilepsy. Within ten days of his arrival, Ramzi Yousef arrived at the same apartment building from Pakistan. In time, the two rented a nearby house that was back from the street, allowing them to hide the odors from the chemicals Yousef used, with Yassin's help, to put together a 1,200 lb. bomb there inside a rented van. Obviously someone was coordinating their activities.

    A week or so after the bomb was set off under the North Tower on February 26, 1993--miraculously killing only six people, but coming uncomfortably close to bringing down both towers as other jihadists were to do eight and a half years later--Yassin, who was not yet a suspect, casually flew back to Iraq. Abdul Yassin was still living in Baghdad at the time of the 2003 invasion, even though the FBI had by then wanted him for a decade, and even though the agreements Iraq signed to end the Gulf War required it to report and turn over any suspected terrorists.

    Also, Yassin's seriously ill mother received the kind of special medical treatments that were only available to the families of people the regime favored. Why was Saddam Hussein for so long sheltering and otherwise favoring a man who directly participated in the first jihadist bombing of the World Trade Center, unless Yassin was an operative of his regime, and unless Hussein wanted to help jihadists carry out that bombing? And if he wanted to help them bomb the World Trade Center in 1993, why would he, in 2001, not want to help them finish the job?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What is that supposed to mean?
    Oh...I just remember back when Bush said something and a whole lot of people "misunderstood" what he said. He took a lot of heat over that. There were a lot of misleading headlines about it.

    "Except that headline is misleading because Obama didn't declare the Iraq War was a success. "

    Well, seems the same thing is happening to Obama.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Sorry but I'm not going to read a pdf that I have to save to my hard drive from a source I'm not familiar with.



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    Don't worry, Moot. That .pdf is safe. This is from the cover page:

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Except that headline is misleading because Obama didn't declare the Iraq War was a success.

    Again, from the Gaurdian article.....
    "We knew this day would come. We've known it for some time. But still there is something profound about the end of a war that has lasted so long," said Obama. "It's harder to end a war than begin one. Everything that American troops have done in Iraq - all the fighting, all the dying, the bleeding and the building and the training and the partnering, all of it has landed to this moment of success."


    And what was that "moment of success"? It was troop withdrawal.
    "Iraq's not a perfect place. It has many challenges ahead. But we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self reliant Iraq with a representative government that was elected by its people. We're building a new partnership between our nations and we are ending a war not with a final battle but with a final march toward home. This is an extraordinary achievement," he said.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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