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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes on the first link. Your second link is misleading. BHO's persistent lowering of projected US residual strength made it not worth the trouble for Maliki to propose keeping US forces.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So that your story and you are gong to stick with it. The fact that it is untrue makes no difference to you.



    Read more: No, Obama Didn?t Lose Iraq - Colin H. Kahl - POLITICO Magazine
    Thank you for making my point. From your link: ". . . . Ultimately, at great political risk, President Obama approved negotiations with the Iraqi government to allow a force of around 5,000 American troops to stay in Iraq to provide counterterrorism support and air cover and to train the Iraqi army. . . . "

    5,000 troops was about one-fourth of what Maliki expected and what would have been worth his political effort.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Thank you for making my point. From your link: ". . . . Ultimately, at great political risk, President Obama approved negotiations with the Iraqi government to allow a force of around 5,000 American troops to stay in Iraq to provide counterterrorism support and air cover and to train the Iraqi army. . . . "

    5,000 troops was about one-fourth of what Maliki expected and what would have been worth his political effort.
    What links do you have that confirm that Maliki wanted more US troops? That is nothing but your lame excuse for Bush's failure to achieve a long term agreement. The more troops teh harder it would have been to pass the measure in the Iraqi parliment.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What links do you have that confirm that Maliki wanted more US troops? That is nothing but your lame excuse for Bush's failure to achieve a long term agreement. The more troops teh harder it would have been to pass the measure in the Iraqi parliment.
    Actually, the more troops the easier.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Nobody in this thread has any idea what is in the agreement yet want to undermine and attack it because....well Obama.
    What about 47% of the Senate? Do they know whats in the agreement being negotiated?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your probably right. The US wasted no time after assembly of its first nuke to try it out, on civilian targets even!

    First, those bombs had yields that were a fraction of what bombs have today

    Second, the incendiary devices dropped on German and Japanese cities killed more people than the two atomic bombs that the US dropped o Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    You are aware of that right ?

    And thankfully those twk devices ended the war and saved American lives.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes on the first link. Your second link is misleading. BHO's persistent lowering of projected US residual strength made it not worth the trouble for Maliki to propose keeping US forces.
    On your second point, you act like Iraqi's aren't human beings that can think for themselves or that Iraq isn't a sovereign nation that can make it's own decisions. That's what the second article was about and then bam...you go and prove them right. lol


    "....At the time, the US expected a subsequent agreement would be reached to allow some troops to stay beyond that deadline. But first Bush, then Obama, failed to convince Maliki. The major stumbling block for these leaders was the standard US demand that its forces be immune from local prosecution. Maliki wouldn't budge on the issue, and probably couldn't have gotten parliament to go along anyway. So the US was forced to depart, as agreed.

    The reason this remains important is because it highlights the fact that Iraqis are actual people, with their own interests, not clay dolls ready to have US interests and demands imprinted upon them.
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    Obama isn't the problem in Iraq. It's Maliki


    Did it ever occur to you that Maliki had his own agenda and didn't need or want US troops in Iraq enough to give them immunity from crimes against Iraqis? Perhaps not because you didn't really read the article...but even if you had, you'd still deny it's validity because it simply doesn't fit your right wing revisionist narrative that the Iraq war was a success and all of it's failures are Obama's fault.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    On your second point, you act like Iraqi's aren't human beings that can think for themselves or that Iraq isn't a sovereign nation that can make it's own decisions. That's what the second article was about and then bam...you go and prove them right. lol


    "....At the time, the US expected a subsequent agreement would be reached to allow some troops to stay beyond that deadline. But first Bush, then Obama, failed to convince Maliki. The major stumbling block for these leaders was the standard US demand that its forces be immune from local prosecution. [B]Maliki wouldn't budge on the issue, and probably couldn't have gotten parliament to go along anyway. So the US was forced to depart, as agreed.

    The reason this remains important is because it highlights the fact that Iraqis are actual people, with their own interests, not clay dolls ready to have US interests and demands imprinted upon them....."

    Obama isn't the problem in Iraq. It's Maliki


    Did it ever occur to you that Maliki had his own agenda and didn't need or want US troops in Iraq enough to give them immunity from crimes against Iraqis? Perhaps not because you didn't really read the article...but even if you had, you'd still deny it's validity because it simply doesn't fit your right wing revisionist narrative that the Iraq war was a success and all of it's failures are Obama's fault.
    I'm not the one who said the Iraq war was a success. Both BHO and VP Biden called it a victory. If you want to argue against them then be my guest. Immunity for US troops was going to be a heavy lift for Maliki; he wasn't going to do it without a big payoff. BHO reduced the projected force below the level that was worth Maliki's effort.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm not the one who said the Iraq war was a success. Both BHO and VP Biden called it a victory. If you want to argue against them then be my guest.
    Link?


    Immunity for US troops was going to be a heavy lift for Maliki; he wasn't going to do it without a big payoff. [B]BHO reduced the projected force below the level that was worth Maliki's effort.
    Really, what level was that?

    But once again, you seem to assume that Iraqi's aren't intelligent enough to make their own decisions. So what part of "no immunity for US troops that commit crimes against Iraq civilians" don't you understand?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First, those bombs had yields that were a fraction of what bombs have today

    Second, the incendiary devices dropped on German and Japanese cities killed more people than the two atomic bombs that the US dropped o Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

    You are aware of that right ?

    And thankfully those twk devices ended the war and saved American lives.
    Tell your bull**** about yields to those innocents that died that day, and the following days, and weeks and months, and to all those that lived but suffered their entire lives because of low yield American nuclear weapons.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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