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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They never agreed to a SOFA at any troop level so that too is a falsehood.
    They were never given the chance.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    Would you prefer to have US troops charged with crimes, tried in Iraq courts and sentenced to Iraq prisons? Because that's what you seem to be advocating for in order to have US stay in Iraq.
    I don't "seem to be advocating" a goddamn thing.

    leave me out of the debate you're having in your head.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Iraqis would have liked for us to stay if we were going to stay in sufficient force to make a difference.
    They had plenty of chances to let us stay but they told Bush no long term agreements and we are kicking you out in 3 years. They kept their word.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    US forces in Iraq now are immune.
    Interesting point. However, I think their presence is limited to the green zone and US military bases.




    "The Americans are confined to military headquarters or training bases at four sites....."

    U.S. advisers in Iraq stay out of combat but see fighting edging closer - The Washington Post

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    They had plenty of chances to let us stay but they told Bush no long term agreements and we are kicking you out in 3 years. They kept their word.
    Again, GWB chose not to speak for his successor. There was no rancor in the Iraqi negotiations with the GWB administration. They expected the next POTUS to make his own deal, and were surprised when BHO kept preemptively lowering the projected number of troops to be left behind.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Interesting point. However, I think their presence is limited to the green zone and US military bases.




    "The Americans are confined to military headquarters or training bases at four sites....."

    U.S. advisers in Iraq stay out of combat but see fighting edging closer - The Washington Post
    That is by our own choice.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    That is by our own choice.
    Rubbish.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Rubbish.
    Why would you say that? It absolutely is US policy to keep our troops far from the fight.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why would you say that? It absolutely is US policy to keep our troops far from the fight.

    Well, apparently there is an agreement....signed December 2014 by Iraq's new prime minister....

    US troops in Iraq will get immunity from prosecution, bolstering fight with Isis | US news | The Guardian

    Obama isn't the problem in Iraq. It's Maliki

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Again, GWB chose not to speak for his successor. There was no rancor in the Iraqi negotiations with the GWB administration. They expected the next POTUS to make his own deal, and were surprised when BHO kept preemptively lowering the projected number of troops to be left behind.
    So that your story and you are gong to stick with it. The fact that it is untrue makes no difference to you.

    Some critics assert that the administration was unwilling to offer enough forces to make it worth the Iraqis’ while. But it is not clear Maliki wanted that many troops. Indeed, he was conscious of the extreme unpopularity of a continued U.S. presence among his Shia base, and he had no interest in a sizable U.S. contingent along the Arab-Kurd divide, which is what all of our military’s troop options above the 10,000-man threshold assumed. These disputed boundary areas include Kirkuk as well as parts of Nineveh province north of Mosul and portions of Diyala province—precisely where jihadists are making inroads today.
    Others claim the administration spent more time negotiating with itself than it did trying to get a deal from the Iraqis. Perhaps. But, in the end, the immunities issue would likely not have been resolved even if the administration had started negotiations earlier and offered more. There was little the administration could have offered or threatened to change their calculations. It was simply too toxic, politically, for Iraqi politicians to accept.
    Read more: No, Obama Didn?t Lose Iraq - Colin H. Kahl - POLITICO Magazine

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