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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

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    Theocracies are inherently problematic. And there will be those pleased with Saddam's removal, such as those that readily fed the Bush administration false information that was gleefully received, and then there would be those who would have preferred the devil they knew. Though many of them are no longer talking.

    Hays is all those things you said, but promoters of peace make better role models than purveyors of violence.
    “The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards.”
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Iranian minister replied to the letter....."The World is not the United States....suggesting the world doesn't need the US to survive and the constitution is not the supreme law of the land outside US borders.
    Oh, hey, Moot, guess who disagrees with you and the Iranians, and admits that those Republican Senators were, in fact, correct?


    Secretary of State John Kerry

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol! Tell al malaki.
    He already knows.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    GWB left office with renegotiation of the SOFA pushed back until 2011 in order to give his successor (BHO) the opportunity to negotiate his own agreement. Every US military planner, without exception, assumed in 2009 there would be a substantial residual US military presence in Iraq after 2011. BHO's failure to keep that residual force in place was the most important failure in creating space in Iraq for ISIS.
    Bush fails and you call it accommodating Obama. Is there no end to your support for Bush's failures? US military planners apparently did not ask the Iraqi's what they wanted. If they did they would have known that they wanted us out as soon as possible. That is who Bush was "accommodating" when he signed the agreement to get ALL U.S. troops out in 3 years.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Except for all the evidence that's not.


    Fact is....the ethnic cleansing of entire Sunni neighborhoods and the Shiite cease fire had more to do with the reduced violence during the surge than sending thousands of troops to guard empty neighborhoods in Baghdad.
    US firepower + cash reduced the violence.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The fact is that Bush tried to negotiate a longer term agreement and failed.
    Bush managed to extend it well into Obama's term and recall the problems he had with the Democrats in even getting that far.
    If Barack Obama had intended to renegotiate SOFA he would not have said he intended to bring the troops home and, in fact, bringing them home (retreat) was the policy of the left.
    Even the 3 year one was a bit tricky and caused a little panic when it looked like we would have to leave as soon as the UN wanted us to.
    US Foreign policy cannot be administered by the UN.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Bush fails and you call it accommodating Obama. Is there no end to your support for Bush's failures? US military planners apparently did not ask the Iraqi's what they wanted. If they did they would have known that they wanted us out as soon as possible. That is who Bush was "accommodating" when he signed the agreement to get ALL U.S. troops out in 3 years.
    BHO kept lowering the troop level he was willing to leave behind until the envisioned residual force was no longer worth the political effort for the Iraqis.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Funny, because foreignpolicy.com had this to say about Obama's performance in the SOFA negotiations:

    How the Obama administration bungled the Iraq withdrawal negotiations | Foreign Policy

    Administration sources and Hill staffers also tell The Cable that the demand that the troop immunity go through the Council of Representatives was a decision made by the State Department lawyers and there were other options available to the administration, such as putting the remaining troops on the embassy’s diplomatic rolls, which would automatically give them immunity.

    "An obvious fix for troop immunity is to put them all on the diplomatic list; that’s done by notification to the Iraqi foreign ministry," said one former senior Hill staffer. "If State says that this requires a treaty or a specific agreement by the Iraqi parliament as opposed to a statement by the Iraqi foreign ministry, it has its head up its ass."
    ~snip
    Putting 10,000 names on a "diplomatic list" is your answer? So you were OK with us keeping troops in Iraq when the Govt. and the people did not want them? Why couldn't Bush get the long term agreement he wanted from the Iraqi's? Why is it Obama's failure that Bush could not?
    http://world.time.com/2011/10/21/ira...roop-presence/
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Maliki gave us the "bums rush" out the door as soon as he could and had an agreement signed by GW Bush saying that he could. Why couldn't Bush negotiate the long term agreement he wanted? Because the Iraqi's were having none of it that's why.
    Funny, then how two different Secretaries of Defense for the Obama Administration who were directly involved seem to remember that differently....

    ...Panetta explained that Iraqi leaders privately wanted some U.S. forces to stay behind after the formal 2011 withdrawal, though they would not say so publicly. The former secretary, though, said the U.S. had "leverage" to strike a deal, and the Defense and State departments tried to do exactly that.

    "But," he wrote, "the President's team at the White House pushed back, and the differences occasionally became heated. ... and those on our side viewed the White House as so eager to rid itself of Iraq that it was willing to withdraw rather than lock in arrangements that would preserve our influence and interests."....
    Even your article describes a rapid and full pull-out as "Obama's policy". Witness the results of his policy decision therein.
    Last edited by cpwill; 03-13-15 at 05:24 PM.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    BHO kept lowering the troop level he was willing to leave behind until the envisioned residual force was no longer worth the political effort for the Iraqis.
    Bush and the Iraqi's signed an agreement to have ALL US troops out by 2011 because that is all the time they would allow. Not becuase that is what Bush wanted. That never changed despite Maliki's flim flamming otherwise. If Bush had not failed to get a long term agreement, Obama would not have been able to withdraw but that is not the way it went down.

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