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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... If the House passes a bill must the Senate vote on it? You seem to have very partisan blinders on when it comes to what congress "should" do.
    No...not sure where I said that. it was a major bill that had bi-partisan support including groups that typically support the Republican Party (chamber of commerce etc).

    It also included both a path to citizenship and increased funding and border security. It was the best deal possible, and House Republicans torpedoed it.

    House Republicans decided not to proceed so the White House took action.

    That's the cost of obstructionism...if you think the other side will walk away saying "shucks...I guess we're done here" then you are making a serious miscalculation based on something that never happens.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No they didn't...they shut down the government and tried to impeach him.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yup...that's exactly what I said! Good job! You won our conversation!
    No...thats not EXACTLY what you said...you also added in..."besides..."THE RIGHT WING!! The RIGHT WING!!!"



    I didnt so much win as beat your own ass.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Well...they DID try to impeach him. Mind you...he lied under oath about an affair while testifying in a trial where he ended up pleading no contest to sexually harassing a campaign staffer. Oh yeah...and he attempted to suborn perjury by asking people to lie under oath. And then there was the whole rape allegation and the still present allegation that he pinned a woman in a doorway and groped her on the day of her husbands funeral. But obviously...none of that matters...

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Obama's executive orders were signed 6 years into his tenure and well after Congress has failed to solve problems. This is undermining a negotiation without even giving it a chance. It's more comparable to Obama walking in and signing executive orders on day 1.


    Okay, so you admit Congress is actively undermining a negotiation without even knowing what they are undermining.

    The worst part is...sanctions depends on other countries actively supporting the sanctions. The countries that are apart of this negotiation? Yeah, they are the countries that co-operated and made the current sanctions work. If congress ultimately undermines these negotiations the chance are slim they are going to jump back into sanctions.
    Sorry - but where in the letter does it say that Obama can't negotiate or that Iran shouldn't negotiate with Obama. It does say, however, that any deal Obama makes will be time limited to his remaining term in office unless Congressional approval is forthcoming. Is that wrong?

    As for the sanctions, the US ones are primarily US law, not executive orders. So any deal that expects to have US sanctions end, would need to have US Congressional action to rescind those laws, would it not?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    No...not sure where I said that. it was a major bill that had bi-partisan support including groups that typically support the Republican Party (chamber of commerce etc).

    It also included both a path to citizenship and increased funding and border security. It was the best deal possible, and House Republicans torpedoed it.

    House Republicans decided not to proceed so the White House took action.

    That's the cost of obstructionism...if you think the other side will walk away saying "shucks...I guess we're done here" then you are making a serious miscalculation based on something that never happens.
    Nonsense. You would freak out if a republicant president decided to undertake federal income tax reform by executive action - simply modifying the process of filing/auditing, changing only some numbers and/or dates.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Thanks to Samhain for finding this:

    WASHINGTON, April 19— Members of Congress are always writing ''Dear Colleague'' letters to other members, promoting a bill or noting an event. Now 10 Democratic lawmakers have written a ''Dear Comandante'' letter that is kicking up a fuss on Capitol Hill.

    The letter is addressed to Daniel Ortega Saavedra, the coordinator of the junta that rules Nicaragua. In it, the lawmakers commend his Government ''for taking steps to open up the political process in your country'' and urge greater efforts toward freer and more open elections.

    'At Best Unwise'

    After the letter came to light in a Congressional debate on Nicaragua last week, Representative Newt Gingrich, Republican of Georgia, flew into a letter-writing frenzy of his own. Mr. Gingrich is circulating the ''Dear Comandante'' missive to reporters around town, accompanied by a statement that accuses the authors of undercutting the Administration's foreign policy.

    ''This letter,'' Mr. Gingrich wrote, ''clearly violates the constitutional separation of powers. It's at best unwise, and at worst illegal.''
    Keep in mind the Democrats did not even directly undermine Reagan by saying he was only in office for a few years, they probably wouldn't ratify anything he agreed to with Saavedra, and besides, they'd probably just overturn it anyway. So the question is, was Gingrich right?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point, or save it for another thread.
    That's fine. I wasn't really trying to argue about it, I was just saying that I disagree with the statement you made. Even if we discussed it your opinion wouldn't change, so it's a moot point.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, your example wasn't a valid analogy as I explained. And again, regarding Gingrich's comment, was he right? And what you also never directly answered is, do you accept this as being standard fare for when a Republican president is in difficult negotiations with a foreign leader?
    If a Republican President wants to enter an agreement with a foreign leader with the desire to skip Senate advice and consent, because he doesn't have the support, then a letter stating what this letter did is doing nothing more than stating the obvious.

    The President has made his direction known for some time. He wants to go it alone on all fronts, even so much as suggesting that he may change corporate tax rules via direct enforcement action.

    Gingrich's comment is on the same level as Democrat responses in 2015. Do you agree with Mr Solarz's comment that "'our rights to oppose foreign policy are protected by the Constitution and our responsibility as members of Congress."? Sounds to me that the tit for tat in the 1984 article runs the same scenario as today, except for the party changes.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    To be clear, the Republican letter does not "warn Iran to not work with Obama" - it does, however, advise Iran that any agreement Obama enters into that does not have Congressional approval is an agreement that will potentially stand void once Obama leaves office. Better to have that upfront and transparent than to have the Iranians claim the US lied.
    Was this letter sent with Obama's knowledge? Or was it done behind his back in an attempt to let Iran know that if they enter into an agreement with Obama that after he leaves office it's very possible that Congress will void the deal completely?
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