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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Exactly.

    Do you want the same thing to happen when Iran builds one?
    Now that, that is a mean question to ask.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is nothing inherently wrong with a Shia led government in a Shia-majority country, so I don't understand your affection for Saddam's tyranny. I'm sure the Iraqi people are glad he's gone.

    As for John Coffee Hays, what bothers you? His stature as "the greatest of the early Texas Rangers?" His role as a founder of the city of Oakland, CA? Or his leadership of Union forces to victory over Confederates?
    Theocracies are inherently problematic. And there will be those pleased with Saddam's removal, such as those that readily fed the Bush administration false information that was gleefully received, and then there would be those who would have preferred the devil they knew. Though many of them are no longer talking.

    Hays is all those things you said, but promoters of peace make better role models than purveyors of violence.
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Now that, that is a mean question to ask.
    Whys that? Seems a very rational question.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Ahh, did you run out of rational, credible evidence? I must say, that didn't take long...is that a new record for you?
    The evidence is all on my side. You're the one citing sources counting light bulbs from thousands of miles away, and agenda-driven lefty columnists. Fact is the Surge suppressed violence, and BHO's withdrawal gave up in 2011 the victory that was in place by 2009.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My position remains clear. I prefer global eradication to the wakeful weapons. But since some few countries insist on retention, it's only logical that others would seek them. People have the wrong focus.
    That does not mean proliferation should be allowed. You do know that the probability of nuclear winter grows much more quickly than the number of nuclear weapons owning nations? It will approach certainty in any event, you might remind me. But it will come faster with proliferation.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My position remains clear. I prefer global eradication to the awful weapons. But since some few countries insist on retention, it's only logical that others would seek them. People have the wrong focus.
    Oh, I agree that global eradication would be a good thing, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't resist OTHERS from seeking them out. It's bad enough that we have them without not making an effort to prevent others from getting them.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Whys that? Seems a very rational question.
    Because it brings the discussion to the point.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Now that, that is a mean question to ask.
    Mean? Why?

    Never mind...I saw your answer and understand why you said it.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That does not mean proliferation should be allowed. You do know that the probability of nuclear winter grows much more quickly than the number of nuclear weapons owning nations? It will approach certainty in any event, you might remind me. But it will come faster with proliferation.
    But in my proposition, it wouldn't come at all.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It was Bush's agreement that expired and left Obama with little choice but to follow the Iraqi's wishes. If Bush had been able to get what he wanted we would still be there. Bush was the failure as usual.

    Bushs finest moment on Iraq: SOFA, not the surge | Foreign Policy
    GWB left office with renegotiation of the SOFA pushed back until 2011 in order to give his successor (BHO) the opportunity to negotiate his own agreement. Every US military planner, without exception, assumed in 2009 there would be a substantial residual US military presence in Iraq after 2011. BHO's failure to keep that residual force in place was the most important failure in creating space in Iraq for ISIS.
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