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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No matter how often this is explained to Liberals you never seem to get it. Your beliefs ALWAYS override the facts.

    Your lack of knowledge re SOFA agreements and their expiration dates and renewals is lacking, But in fact they happen regularly all over the world, wherever the military is stationed, and Iraq was no different. The difference with the Iraqi SOFA was that Obama was determined to leave anyway, under any circumstances, as promised in his campaign and celebrated here.

    You don't seem to understand the depth of Barack Obama's ignorance but instead are willing to go so far as to invent facts to support him.FLASHBACK
    The fact is that Bush tried to negotiate a longer term agreement and failed. Even the 3 year one was a bit tricky and caused a little panic when it looked like we would have to leave as soon as the UN wanted us to. It is your beliefs that prompt you to rewrite history, something conservatives have done (and needed to do) since time immemorial. History and facts related to history are the thorn in every Conservatives side. That could be why there are no Govts. that have Conservative philosophies, they just don't hold up in the REAL world.

    Conservatives now like to claim the SOFA as a “Bush-negotiated” success. But Bush entered the SOFA negotiations looking for something entirely different than what emerged at the end. The U.S. went into the SOFA talks intent on obtaining legitimacy for a long-term military presence in Iraq once the Security Council mandate ended. When negotiations began, it was widely assumed that Bush would extract from the Iraqis an agreement which made the removal of U.S. troops entirely contingent upon American assessments of conditions on the ground. There were widespread discussions of permanent U.S. bases and a Korea-style presence for generations, an assumption that the U.S. would retain a free hand in its operations, and an absolute rejection of an Obama-style timeline for withdrawal.

    But Iraqi leaders, to most everyone’s surprise, took a hard line in the negotiations. Their tough line was encouraged by Iran, no doubt, as stressed by many frustrated American commentators. But it also reflected Iraqi domestic considerations, including several rounds of upcoming elections and an intensely strong popular Iraqi hostility to the U.S. occupation under any name.
    Bush’s finest moment on Iraq: SOFA, not the surge | Foreign Policy
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your probably right. The US wasted no time after assembly of its first nuke to try it out, on civilian targets even!
    Exactly.

    Do you want the same thing to happen when Iran builds one?
    TANSTAAFL

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he was when we pulled out...Doh!
    Too bad he wasn't the president in 2003.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Maliki didn't start doing that until we told him he was on his own. Well. "We", but "POTUS" is the one who told him that.
    Maliki gave us the "bums rush" out the door as soon as he could and had an agreement signed by GW Bush saying that he could. Why couldn't Bush negotiate the long term agreement he wanted? Because the Iraqi's were having none of it that's why.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, it's true....

    Iraq Surge Fail Update
    Just more lefty Bush-bashing without foundation. I suspect I'm the only participant here who has actually been to Iraq, so I hope you'll excuse my preference for my own judgment. Even the author of the linked tripe can't deny violence dropped; he just tries to quibble about why. IMHO it was BHO's failure to retain American forces in Iraq after 2011 that gave free rein to Maliki's sectarian tendencies.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But **** his political skill. If he doesn't know that commenting on something he hasn't seen makes him look stupid, then his perceived skills are moot.
    He was discussing BHO's lack of political skill and contrasting BHO unfavorably with WJC.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just more lefty Bush-bashing without foundation. I suspect I'm the only participant here who has actually been to Iraq, so I hope you'll excuse my preference for my own judgment. Even the author of the linked tripe can't deny violence dropped; he just tries to quibble about why. IMHO it was BHO's failure to retain American forces in Iraq after 2011 that gave free rein to Maliki's sectarian tendencies.
    Ahh, did you run out of rational, credible evidence? I must say, that didn't take long...is that a new record for you?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just more lefty Bush-bashing without foundation. I suspect I'm the only participant here who has actually been to Iraq, so I hope you'll excuse my preference for my own judgment. Even the author of the linked tripe can't deny violence dropped; he just tries to quibble about why. IMHO it was BHO's failure to retain American forces in Iraq after 2011 that gave free rein to Maliki's sectarian tendencies.
    It was Bush's agreement that expired and left Obama with little choice but to follow the Iraqi's wishes. If Bush had been able to get what he wanted we would still be there. Bush was the failure as usual.

    Bush’s finest moment on Iraq: SOFA, not the surge | Foreign Policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Repeating that lie is not going to help. Iraq would never have had a Shia government while Hussein was there. You have always supported a loosing republican agenda, and your freaky civil war era avatar diminishes your stature.
    There is nothing inherently wrong with a Shia led government in a Shia-majority country, so I don't understand your affection for Saddam's tyranny. I'm sure the Iraqi people are glad he's gone.

    As for John Coffee Hays, what bothers you? His stature as "the greatest of the early Texas Rangers?" His role as a founder of the city of Oakland, CA? Or his leadership of Union forces to victory over Confederates?
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Exactly.

    Do you want the same thing to happen when Iran builds one?
    My position remains clear. I prefer global eradication to the awful weapons. But since some few countries insist on retention, it's only logical that others would seek them. People have the wrong focus.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 03-13-15 at 04:41 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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