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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Malaki made it clear he was willing to get us the SOFA if we were willing to commit enough troops to help him maintain his coalition. We weren't, and so he had to make a deal with the Sadrists, instead. The White House pretty much torpedoed it's own negotiations in the final month or two by coming back in and declaring 5,000 troops was their ceiling.


    But it's sort of ironic to see folks admit that The Smartest President Ever wasn't able to negotiate a simple SOFA with Iraq.... heck, even George Bush managed that.....
    Of course it does not help to leave the matter to the first president in our history who does not much like the United States. That agreement gave President Limpwrist a convenient excuse for leaving no residual force in Iraq, which is what he wanted anyway--part of his general policy of appeasing Muslims. And we are seeing the result. A forceful U.S. president could have had pretty much whatever he'd insisted on, and could have explained to the American people why it was necessary.

    There were South Korean politicians who from time to time in the 1950's clamored for the U.S. to remove its forces, too, but Dwight Eisenhower wanted them there, and there they stayed. The "Americans were too weary of war" argument doesn't excuse Obama, either. They were at least as sick of war in 1953, having been forced into another one--and one which cost far more American lives than Iraq and Afghanistan put together--only five years after the end of WWII. But despite that, a powerful force of more than 35,000, with armor, artillery, air power, etc., was left in South Korea.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The agreement Bush signed stipulated that all US troops would leave in 2 years and the Iraqi's held us to it. You would think someone as "smart" as Bush would have been able to get a more long term agreement. He tried but Maliki would have none of it.
    oh, you mean like Obama's 3-Year AUMF?

    All SOFA's have renegotiation points, and Bush's had to schedule his so as to get continued funding from a hostile, Democrat-held Congress. The Maliki Government wanted us to remain, and they were willing to sign the extended SOFA to do it... but we had to support them in order to make it possible. We chose not to do that. Results: Maliki had to make a deal with the Sadrists, turn on the Sunni's (including his own VP), convincing the Sunni tribes that the government in Baghdad would no longer represent them now that the Americans were gone, creating incentives for them to enable ISIL to push Shia-led ISF out of the region.

    It would have been a relatively cheap investment for us to secure our gains, but, the President wanted a 2012 campaign point about Getting Us Out Of Iraq.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and stop the bleeding, but he would have been willing to keep troops there if Maliki was not such an a-hole about it. It was obvious that Maliki was taking his orders from Iran and Al Sadr.
    Maliki didn't start doing that until we told him he was on his own. Well. "We", but "POTUS" is the one who told him that.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Both Israeli and US intelligence agencies conclude that Iran is in fact not building nuclear weapons. We've heard false claims of other middle eastern countries as well.
    Just because they are not physically building a bomb doesn't mean they are not doing what they need to do to be able to build a bomb. And, believe me, if they are able to build a bomb...it's too late to stop them from putting the parts together and setting it off.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    There was just another post similar to this posted.

    I'll summarize what I posted in that thread: Obama has gone out of his way to thumb his nose at Congress and Republicans in general. "I won" and "I have a pen and phone" are just a sample of those astoundingly arrogant statements. Now Congress shows they have a pen and phone as well. Obama could have invited Congress to oversee (which is Congress' duty by the way) such international deals but he cut them out. Now he gets the slap of a cold fish in the face and doesn't like it. The moral of the story to Obama: Actions have consequences. Are you surprised? Really?
    Obama has thumbed his nose at Democrats also but they seem to quietly accept it.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The agreement Bush signed stipulated that all US troops would leave in 2 years and the Iraqi's held us to it. You would think someone as "smart" as Bush would have been able to get a more long term agreement. He tried but Maliki would have none of it.
    No matter how often this is explained to Liberals you never seem to get it. Your beliefs ALWAYS override the facts.

    Your lack of knowledge re SOFA agreements and their expiration dates and renewals is lacking, But in fact they happen regularly all over the world, wherever the military is stationed, and Iraq was no different. The difference with the Iraqi SOFA was that Obama was determined to leave anyway, under any circumstances, as promised in his campaign and celebrated here.

    You don't seem to understand the depth of Barack Obama's ignorance but instead are willing to go so far as to invent facts to support him.FLASHBACK

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Just because they are not physically building a bomb doesn't mean they are not doing what they need to do to be able to build a bomb. And, believe me, if they are able to build a bomb...it's too late to stop them from putting the parts together and setting it off.
    Exactly. Iran could work on all the other components of an atomic bomb so that they were tested and ready, just waiting for the nuclear material. And once uranium has been enriched to 20% U-235, enriching it to the 80 or 90% usually used in a weapon doesn't take all that long. The process gets easier as it goes on--the slow, hard part is getting to 20%.

    Testing a bomb design by setting off a full explosion is less important than it used to be. It's possible to set off the conventional explosive and determine if it exploded precisely enough to have caused a nuclear explosion if the nuclear materials had been in the bomb. Or it may be possible to get the necessary information without even the conventional explosion, by observing whether the triggering mechanism worked as it would need to. Some of the U.S. tests are that kind of computer simulation, and Iran also might be able to learn enough that way to be very confident its bomb design would work.

    No one in the civilized world can afford to trust the Islamist bastards in Tehran. The U.S. air force could destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, along with its missile facilities and air defenses, without too much trouble. We certainly have more than enough air power for that, but it seems extremely unlikely that this president will ever do it. That leaves the job to Israel, whose far smaller air force, carrying far fewer and lighter bombs, would only be able to destroy even the four or five major nuclear weapons facilities by the skin of its teeth. Doing nothing turns a sure thing into a very uncertain thing. The only way for Israel to be sure of doing the job would be to use nuclear weapons, at least on the very deeply buried centrifuge galleries at Fordow. I think it is a very poor idea to force it into that situation.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    As posted a number of times in a number of forums, there are instances, between 5 and 7 times, where the Democrats have done exactly the same and even more so (or have you forgotten Pelosi's visiting Assad of Syria, calling him a reformer, and declaring that the road for reform goes through Damascus [or some other equally silly and unfounded assertion])?

    No, this is pure partisan fauxrage with no factual basis nor factual standing. Pure partisan fauxrage because it's Democrats whining at something the Republicans did that they didn't like (what a bunch of cry babies when they don't get their way). Did the Democrats and Obama expect the Obama's presidency to fall under some sort of protected class coverage? If anything, they are treating him just like any other Democratic president, and doing what the opposition party should be doing, which is opposing.

    Can't handle the heat in the kitchen? Get out of the kitchen.

    Now, if you want to make the general statement that Senators shouldn't have a voice in, nor voice their concerns about or objections to, executive branch foreign policy actions, then it'd have to apply equally to both Republicans and Democrats.
    I will agree there is a certain amount of hypocrisy, but I would not agree those acts were EXACTLY the same. The hypocrisy, btw, is on both sides. The point is, regardless of what democrats have done, this is still wrong no matter who does it.

    And that doesn't make congress voiceless. Like all things, there is a proper medium and an improper medium. No said Congress can't speak on this, or address the president. Besides being childish, this act was improper and not helpful to anyone.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Just because they are not physically building a bomb doesn't mean they are not doing what they need to do to be able to build a bomb. And, believe me, if they are able to build a bomb...it's too late to stop them from putting the parts together and setting it off.
    Your probably right. The US wasted no time after assembly of its first nuke to try it out, on civilian targets even!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Obama has thumbed his nose at Democrats also but they seem to quietly accept it.
    Stockholm Syndrome

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