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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Translation: If you don't agree with Obama, you're a racist...
    That's a piss poor translation. Surely you know that.

    Translation: No one should disagree with "The One"
    Also not what I said. In fact, anyone who can read English knows I specifically said there are points of disagreement. So, you're not responding to what was said.



    Translation: Anyone not a far left liberal I don't understand, so I lash out....
    Yet another very poor translation.

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership [W:251]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership - Bloomberg Politics

    President Obama: "It's somewhat ironic seeing some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hardliners in Iran..... It's an unlikely coalition."

    Interesting. Seems to me, the President distorts the issue for political gain and is subtly trying to claim that Republicans are fraternizing with the enemy or perhaps even treasonous. And yet no reaction or condemnation from Democrats or their friends in the media. Rudy Guilliani states that he believes that President Obama doesn't love his country and all hell breaks lose, the full force of the Democrat party and their media puppets attacking with all force. But when the shoe is on the other foot, again the attack is on the Republican party and the Democrat media protects their saviour and master.

    Interesting. Also, isn't President Obama trying to 'make common cause with the hardliners in Iran" through the deal negotiations he's involved in?
    Obama trying to paint Conservatives as Iranian sympathisers...think of the irony! As he's stepped on by terrorists from all corners of the world!

    But besides that point, Hillary told us that dissent is the highest form of patriotism, right?


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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean kicked out don't you? Malaki made it quite clear that we were not welcome. He refused to get the parliment to pass a SOFA.
    Malaki made it clear he was willing to get us the SOFA if we were willing to commit enough troops to help him maintain his coalition. We weren't, and so he had to make a deal with the Sadrists, instead. The White House pretty much torpedoed it's own negotiations in the final month or two by coming back in and declaring 5,000 troops was their ceiling.


    But it's sort of ironic to see folks admit that The Smartest President Ever wasn't able to negotiate a simple SOFA with Iraq.... heck, even George Bush managed that.....

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You mean kicked out don't you? Malaki made it quite clear that we were not welcome. He refused to get the parliment to pass a SOFA.
    No.. I mean pulled out

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I think there is just an irrational hatred of Obama that has little merit. There are always points of disagreement, but nothing that warrants the silliness his detractors embrace. Republicans should be criticized. What they did was wrong.
    As posted a number of times in a number of forums, there are instances, between 5 and 7 times, where the Democrats have done exactly the same and even more so (or have you forgotten Pelosi's visiting Assad of Syria, calling him a reformer, and declaring that the road for reform goes through Damascus [or some other equally silly and unfounded assertion])?

    No, this is pure partisan fauxrage with no factual basis nor factual standing. Pure partisan fauxrage because it's Democrats whining at something the Republicans did that they didn't like (what a bunch of cry babies when they don't get their way). Did the Democrats and Obama expect the Obama's presidency to fall under some sort of protected class coverage? If anything, they are treating him just like any other Democratic president, and doing what the opposition party should be doing, which is opposing.

    Can't handle the heat in the kitchen? Get out of the kitchen.

    Now, if you want to make the general statement that Senators shouldn't have a voice in, nor voice their concerns about or objections to, executive branch foreign policy actions, then it'd have to apply equally to both Republicans and Democrats.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Assad or ISIS? Your choice.
    No thanks - I don't address false choice fallacies.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL So that was Bush's plan? To install a sectarian terrorist and Iranian puppet as President thereby guaranteeing that we would need to babysit in Iraq forever? Tha tis the "inteligence" you want from a President?
    Bush isn't President, it's 2015 not 2006. When compared to the current plan of putting in place a bad agreement that cannot be enforced with the terrorist nation of Iran and allowing them to develop nuclear weapons and subsequently start a proliferation and arms race in the middle east? Yeah, I'll take a 2006 Bush plan over Obama's current one any day of the week.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The only chance for a stable and united Iraq was to get rid of Maliki and Obama has made that happen.
    I guess you didn't learn the Saddam lesson yet. We got rid of Saddam how did that work out again?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Iraqi's are poised to take back Tikrit from ISIS and the new President is making peace with the Sunni tribes. This is the progress Iraq needs.
    Iran is poised to take back Tikrit which is a pimple on the ass of an Elephant so far. Making Tikrit the cause celeb is moronic and myopic. Iran now controls 4 or 5 capitals in the ME including Baghdad. With the backing of Russia and China in the UN and Russia on the side, removing US troops from "babysitting" in Iraq was a huge blunder, as was Yemen which btw, the US has closed our embassy and bugged out after Obama said 6 months ago :

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    This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years.
    We seem to have not taken out terrorists in Yemen.

    Rebels In Yemen Seize U.S. Embassy Vehicles After Evacuation


    That's what this President calls a success.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, but it is....They made it so, by threatening us, then moving toward acquiring the means to carry out that threat.
    Both Israeli and US intelligence agencies conclude that Iran is in fact not building nuclear weapons. We've heard false claims of other middle eastern countries as well.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Malaki made it clear he was willing to get us the SOFA if we were willing to commit enough troops to help him maintain his coalition. We weren't, and so he had to make a deal with the Sadrists, instead. The White House pretty much torpedoed it's own negotiations in the final month or two by coming back in and declaring 5,000 troops was their ceiling.


    But it's sort of ironic to see folks admit that The Smartest President Ever wasn't able to negotiate a simple SOFA with Iraq.... heck, even George Bush managed that.....
    The agreement Bush signed stipulated that all US troops would leave in 2 years and the Iraqi's held us to it. You would think someone as "smart" as Bush would have been able to get a more long term agreement. He tried but Maliki would have none of it.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, and everyone knows how very much Obama wanted that agreement....Right? I mean he tried so awfully hard to get it in place before the pull out....
    Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and stop the bleeding, but he would have been willing to keep troops there if Maliki was not such an a-hole about it. It was obvious that Maliki was taking his orders from Iran and Al Sadr.

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