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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And in that, Obama has been a really, really, poor choice,
    Who is 10^7654 times more competent than dumbya (which, of course, isn't saying much).

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Oh don't be modest - Obama gets the credit for leaving a power vacuum for Iran on that count. That will be one to go in the Presidential Library along with Yemen, the Syrian "red line" and allowing Iran nukes. woot!
    A Shiite leader, elected by the majority Shiite exercising power and oppression over the Sunni minority...isn't a power vacume...in fact, it's quite the opposite. A sectarian civil war, gee, who didn't see that coming?

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    A Shiite leader, elected by the majority Shiite exercising power and oppression over the Sunni minority...isn't a power vacume...in fact, it's quite the opposite.
    It is when that Shiite leader is left to their own devices and starts oppressing Sunni's.

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    A sectarian civil war, gee, who didn't see that coming?
    Obama did, both before and after. Remember the pleas for help in Syria and the "Assad must go"? That one was a good one!
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Who is 10^7654 times more competent than dumbya (which, of course, isn't saying much).
    Certainly not Obama. In fact, I think the Bush the younger is a far more competent leader than Obama, at least he had experience in leading before he arrived in the White House. Can't say that about Obama.

    But if you measure Bush's leadership against all the previous presidents, I figure he falls somewhere in the middle to middle bottom.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Iraq was always going to have a Shia government under any democratic regime. That's no more a policy choice than the Sun rising in the east. As for the Sunni insurgents, they were largely erased by the Surge in 2007 (and Zarqawi had already been killed). It was the surprising full withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 and the failure to support the Syrian opposition in early 2012 that created the space for ISIS.
    Iraq was never a democratic regime not even after US tried to force it to be one with that election. The US put the Shiite majority in power and they immediately started oppressing the Sunni minority...some even called it a sectarian civil war. Gee, who didn't see that coming?


    "... According to the Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace, Iraq was one of the world's top 5 unstable states from 2005 to 2008.[29] A poll of top U.S. foreign policy experts conducted in 2007 showed that over the next 10 years, just 3% of experts believed the U.S. would be able to rebuild Iraq into a "beacon of democracy" and 58% of experts believed that Sunni–Shiite tensions would dramatically increase in the Middle East.[30][31]....

    A multitude of groups formed the Iraqi insurgency, which arose in a piecemeal fashion as a reaction to local events, notably the realization of the U.S. military’s inability to control Iraq.[33]

    Beginning in 2005 the insurgent forces coalesced around several main factions, including the Islamic Army in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunna.[34] Religious justification was used to support the political actions of these groups, as well as a marked adherence to Salafism, branding those against the jihad as non-believers. This approach played a role in the rise of sectarian violence.[35] The U.S. military also believe that between 5-10% of insurgent forces are non-Iraqi Arabs.[33]..."

    Civil war in Iraq (2006

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It is when that Shiite leader is left to their own devices and starts oppressing Sunni's.

    Obama did, both before and after. Remember the pleas for help in Syria and the "Assad must go"? That one was a good one!
    Assad or ISIS? Your choice.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Iraq was never a democratic regime not even after US tried to force it to be one with that election. The US put the Shiite majority in power and they immediately started oppressing the Sunni minority...some even called it a sectarian civil war. Gee, who didn't see that coming?


    "... According to the Failed States Index, produced by Foreign Policy magazine and the Fund for Peace, Iraq was one of the world's top 5 unstable states from 2005 to 2008.[29] A poll of top U.S. foreign policy experts conducted in 2007 showed that over the next 10 years, just 3% of experts believed the U.S. would be able to rebuild Iraq into a "beacon of democracy" and 58% of experts believed that Sunni–Shiite tensions would dramatically increase in the Middle East.[30][31]....

    A multitude of groups formed the Iraqi insurgency, which arose in a piecemeal fashion as a reaction to local events, notably the realization of the U.S. military’s inability to control Iraq.[33]

    Beginning in 2005 the insurgent forces coalesced around several main factions, including the Islamic Army in Iraq and Ansar al-Sunna.[34] Religious justification was used to support the political actions of these groups, as well as a marked adherence to Salafism, branding those against the jihad as non-believers. This approach played a role in the rise of sectarian violence.[35] The U.S. military also believe that between 5-10% of insurgent forces are non-Iraqi Arabs.[33]..."

    Civil war in Iraq (2006
    All rendered obsolete by the 2007-2008 Surge.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All rendered obsolete by the 2007 Surge.
    Actually, the 2007 surge has been debunked...turns out it was the ethnic cleansing of entire neighborhoods just prior to the surge that was responsible for the reduced violence...

    "...Furthermore, the nighttime light signature of Baghdad data when matched with ground data provided by the report to the US Congress by Marine Corps General Jones and various other sources, makes it clear that the diminished level of violence in Iraq since the onset of the surge owes much to a vicious process of interethnic cleansing."2..."

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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, the 2007 surge has been debunked...turns out it was the ethnic cleansing of entire neighborhoods just prior to the surge that was responsible for the reduced violence...
    "...Furthermore, the nighttime light signature of Baghdad data when matched with ground data provided by the report to the US Congress by Marine Corps General Jones and various other sources, makes it clear that the diminished level of violence in Iraq since the onset of the surge owes much to a vicious process of interethnic cleansing."2..."

    The Surge "Success" Debunked*|*Luis Carlos Montalván
    Sorry, but that's counterfactual nonsense.
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    Re: Obama Blasts Republicans Over Letter to Iranian Leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    A Shiite leader, elected by the majority Shiite exercising power and oppression over the Sunni minority...isn't a power vacume...in fact, it's quite the opposite. A sectarian civil war, gee, who didn't see that coming?
    Barack Obama.

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